Received: from mail-ie0-f184.google.com ([209.85.223.184]:61636) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XFNJ0-00082N-6d for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:00:32 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f184.google.com with SMTP id tr6sf834884ieb.11 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=c7Xip5T3dK+iRNYvtqTKOx14TcqmFNDgEfg/bfrpBWE=; b=KvCeQeH3/7q+lpFbbaZQAgdg3D2RYh+mJz5zSUh/uyskjFLcYIVns37zq1xGEmMsEW kI5fwzGDhE/g0X5SE5Q1GJHk53FF0wKRiMYBxylpkkTkfnAzrKFKl6Jba+2Nm9HfZW6k Pmdoj0bmZO8iJ97h2Pjhdgqx8CkBvzqg1oq6oo3AqtMdK4T2mZwXmWb77Wwxkqje+PED AaDu/XzKcSr2OuUHbgemHEtBbxRi43DYJleuwOSL/q0HnujxXD6OXdcpLE1xNtd/27f8 ztqstls+qMteCQwGosaaEo9BiJt4/9WKAWF069D9FrExut9U5BrB/ZRGZyEHUqM5p7fK 6zyA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=c7Xip5T3dK+iRNYvtqTKOx14TcqmFNDgEfg/bfrpBWE=; b=BhvfNPFYszzrUAl76oohyAancIPp4mQby0RSafJtn6mgFK7Lf52Ds8usiDO+6wfwZQ MHvpRjeOAtuSttdTz+83l1b+wQ73B9TL+fO6ZElwvJVUihy//XOmuPhyxXGc87X3Rr6W 1hEynO1NGv9GfEcE1UJ6Arje4i487uqm2pl63Nc/mHyk+/HpNYnFEvh9Rs72HJs5qlst NGdoD5iImn8At6KSAmSq/fGzvo2xJ2SKf7WpQC834NuV615UHf+za9soRFUIKEtc451R otYVNOb0lSmtQ5+wycoUWLBuUaU467hGWy1kN1OAfv6z/yIFZScN3P2NcGU8L3uyF0MA naKA== X-Received: by 10.182.45.134 with SMTP id n6mr967obm.36.1407416423818; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.28.8 with SMTP id x8ls123452obg.77.gmail; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.4.1 with SMTP id g1mr163788obg.3.1407416423314; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 06:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <543519c7-ee91-4ef3-90ed-8198ecf22b0d@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] One end cmavo to rule them all MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_157_477089200.1407416422751" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_157_477089200.1407416422751 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:13:17 PM UTC-4, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > > "We can't close any open clauses until we've closed that most recent one". > This only sort of true. If there are a stack of open clauses, we can close > several at a time by closing one in the middle of the stack, which forces > all the ones more recent than that to close. If there was only one word for > closing, you would have to repeat it a lot, and people aren't so good at > numerically counting levels. > Ah, that is a great point. Though it would probably not be so common b/c people aren't so good at keeping track of too many levels in general, as you point out (regardless of actually counting them). It would still be nice to have a word for close-current-clause. (Maybe there already is? I could not find a cmavo for it.) Also, thinking about the use case you describe, it occurs to me that it would be much easier to remember a single cmavo that worked in conjunction with the opening cmavo, e.g. `ke melbri nixli kexo ckule` instead of `ke melbri nixli ke'e ckule` where `xo` is some cmavo that means "close the cmavo I just mentioned". .trans. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_157_477089200.1407416422751 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:13:17 PM UTC-4, Ro= ss Ogilvie wrote:
"We can't close any open clauses until we've closed that= most recent one". This only sort of true. If there are a stack of open cla= uses, we can close several at a time by closing one in the middle of the st= ack, which forces all the ones more recent than that to close. If there was= only one word for closing, you would have to repeat it a lot, and people a= ren't so good at numerically counting levels.

Ah, that is a great point. Though it would p= robably not be so common b/c people aren't so good at keeping track of too = many levels in general, as you point out (regardless of actually counting t= hem). It would still be nice to have a word for close-current-clause. (Mayb= e there already is? I could not find a cmavo for it.) Also, thinking about = the use case you describe, it occurs to me that it would be much easier to = remember a single cmavo that worked in conjunction with the opening cmavo, = e.g. `ke melbri nixli kexo ckule` instead of `ke melbri nixli ke'e ckule` w= here `xo` is some cmavo that means "close the cmavo I just mentioned".

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