Received: from mail-ig0-f185.google.com ([209.85.213.185]:33980) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XFNbw-0008RJ-RT for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:20:06 -0700 Received: by mail-ig0-f185.google.com with SMTP id h3sf852418igd.12 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LbXK73P7+wFchDlcWzHniBWeq8hEvibzOz6PmBKhDxA=; b=T5PO6ZtrE/Oh0/Z+K7AOVKSW+9YUBeDqHA8K5Uc3lwluM2Grkt4VHIIWHQD+BZ4Cxq ZB83euFCxAKixcX/LBTag3Y68FFV2jd/qppIqPh5846p2TOw91W5iwzokhdvG2OHV/Ew FbrEj+3SSTTodcbFbub/55axSC3fbxXbmxU6Nqc+6Sp/D9U/jETBZGHDz6rXfsFKTSo3 TeaSWO2xfeqjZHbA1vu9AO1e7I4v3NwT0YgnBEzcDiYaRhia0rAEXen1UIAi7P4A1re6 BJFEE3dc9Gz1fa3POXRT0IX3h+tq6Blx9Nl/Lc1z4bMo7P8jyxfhVPCDevIWNijANoGq QodQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LbXK73P7+wFchDlcWzHniBWeq8hEvibzOz6PmBKhDxA=; b=DBapt702fZjKSbLJLZf5LzOunnSoaQtrlPL7MzfGIXU4GlVZON0JxR5j4AHdP67fqI HguBuJE3H3I1cajXVekzHUclqwK2rhLocde+7ZEXJWMTa4lCCyg6ejAo1ohpEh4CCgya t99UpVIzcJQZhZzVKcRfSKF73FpP2+702SbKVdKnBAYKQTIBJWjB4/kphn5uwKiwOM+p ij8CijimFPxHzSKJ9ycEcro9kEL9gqotT1w03+OEN0k9LD7A/b9QaMKxtk91UkG2ZgvJ ceEIOesR7yYnmZ2ba66yQD0FuwR3UrK3wGjL21b1QBqSYn5KthvsyUby1C2VVgFItZdo owAA== X-Received: by 10.182.63.104 with SMTP id f8mr2981obs.35.1407417598771; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.75.225 with SMTP id f1ls145857obw.19.gmail; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.110.167 with SMTP id ib7mr148179obb.8.1407417598368; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 06:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <1fa41501-809e-4157-aee4-777215596290@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20140807124944.GI28465@samsa.fritz.box> References: <1a05ebdb-5a99-4382-b6a3-4205d1d16ae6@googlegroups.com> <857775fe-c38f-4e84-b3b9-17034a98a989@googlegroups.com> <036a8ae9-4a0b-455c-b014-0b1a97e37d62@googlegroups.com> <20140807124944.GI28465@samsa.fritz.box> Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL Corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_133_364005598.1407417597785" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_133_364005598.1407417597785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:49:48 AM UTC-4, v4hn wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:40:37AM -0700, TR NS wrote: > > According the preceding explanation of poi the first sumti of the > > subordinate clause if filled by the reference if ke'a is not given. That > > would be tu. > > No, the first ba'e unspecified sumti of the sub-clause is assumed to be > {ke'a}. > "Like any sumti, "ke'a" can be omitted. The usual presumption in that case is that it then falls into the x1 place:" Example 1.7 on page 170. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_133_364005598.1407417597785 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8


On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:49:48 AM UTC-4, v4hn wrote:
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:40:37AM -0700, TR NS wrote:
> According the preceding explanation of poi the first sumti of the
> subordinate clause if filled by the reference if ke'a is not given. That
> would be tu.

No, the first ba'e unspecified sumti of the sub-clause is assumed to be {ke'a}.

"Like any sumti, "ke'a" can be omitted. The usual presumption in that case is that it then falls into the x1 place:" Example 1.7 on page 170.


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