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[85.13.134.113]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20si389723wiw.0.2014.08.07.06.40.48 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: me@v4hn.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=85.13.134.113; Received: from samsa (brln-4d0cc56d.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.197.109]) by dd12116.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D51A224C0309 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:40:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 15:40:47 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL Corrections Message-ID: <20140807134047.GK28465@samsa.fritz.box> References: <1a05ebdb-5a99-4382-b6a3-4205d1d16ae6@googlegroups.com> <857775fe-c38f-4e84-b3b9-17034a98a989@googlegroups.com> <036a8ae9-4a0b-455c-b014-0b1a97e37d62@googlegroups.com> <20140807124944.GI28465@samsa.fritz.box> <1fa41501-809e-4157-aee4-777215596290@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GvuyDaC2GNSBQusT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1fa41501-809e-4157-aee4-777215596290@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: me@v4hn.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --GvuyDaC2GNSBQusT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 06:19:57AM -0700, TR NS wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:49:48 AM UTC-4, v4hn wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:40:37AM -0700, TR NS wrote:=20 > > > According the preceding explanation of poi the first sumti of the=20 > > > subordinate clause if filled by the reference if ke'a is not given. T= hat=20 > > > would be tu.=20 > > > > No, the first ba'e unspecified sumti of the sub-clause is assumed to be= =20 > > {ke'a}.=20 > > >=20 > "Like any sumti, "ke'a" can be omitted. The usual presumption in that cas= e=20 > is that it then falls into the x1 place:" Example 1.7 on page 170. You didn't read on. However, ``ke'a'' can be omitted if it is clear to the listener that it bel= ongs in some place other than x1:=20 1.8) tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu That-distant-thing which the cat drags is-a-rat Also, please consider to ask your more basic questions on the lojban-beginn= ers mailing list. mi'e la .van. mu'o --GvuyDaC2GNSBQusT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT44HfAAoJEKCfEUk/PuMmUAwP/jBBh8RnGvumSbRbSEctjywx NuqBQTYGdjtjz3PAjSE9fcrMUKRgQjJTEOhYn2EfNhFP+CJNAovUvzQJ1+pZuiSz uUytctow6JlshoMOO+BHpQ/Al5zS/astZuZfT3N/VkSLOXYpjxfIWlMFRV0VO4YJ b0da0GmYvpdNTfIIpuB1GId/bZlxKm9kEIkFnq/1ywGuv28gfiwNleMLJwx5L+8a T+TNCh6PzZsULoNtuhfxBoM6iB1wrSuZOK7ruJI/HLMtDAq1kIXMo0gz0Wt2f/yR 3CvqgIjYO7iJDHr34+tbrWiR6yre7QXbtfXhWyN0Oj1zmjlyP0kVoQwJMq8BGWWR omfwQ0tkre2yzRZ3SL738OrX2X1Wx7l41cpNSAAM+88XwpR2CzlbRW7nt5V6IOq7 ElIvkLN/UHKhi9zzn/kBdyyXcyqAZSYGo4/Zto87MISbGADQNK7AlzwpuBYtnZzk m0kr7Pu5Nx8JTKtrgEoAOtJRb5a4tUaHFNC3Oezau1Kv3fX5FOYZhyjvxJ4O9ybq uM4JtkZpISWgxbWquPomRC4nF+1+WcT++5lLI6tQRS76eYr3QDuTRIbSWxx2QA8j smSKGougxuBEiqy6nUqgFjZbTTfUdv7OuFKjYgr2s1s9WzCJODlBR3zf8W6K5Ucv ped8wzTXpT49TP+d2e5z =pGI5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GvuyDaC2GNSBQusT--