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Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL Corrections
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On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:40:49 AM UTC-4, v4hn wrote:
>
>
> You didn't read on. 
>
> However, ``ke'a'' can be omitted if it is clear to the listener that it 
> belongs in some place other than x1: 
>
> 1.8)  tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu 
>     That-distant-thing which the cat drags is-a-rat 
>
> Also, please consider to ask your more basic questions on the 
> lojban-beginners mailing list. 
>
>
That's my point about the ambiguity. Either it fills x1 or or it fills the 
next available sumiti. There needs to be no "presumption" or "if it is 
clear to the listener". I may have interpreted that sentence differently 
than you too. To me it read that one could presume it was in *any* slot 
other x1 if it made contextual sense to the listener. e.g. if x3 was "clear 
to the listener" they'd could choose that one too. As opposed to the 
interpretation that it meant the "next available slot". Eliminating that 
ambiguity was my point of bringing this up. 

Personally I think it makes more sense for it just to always be x1 b/c it 
is easy enough to add `se` or `te` as needed, and I think if fits the 
intent of NOI better. Consider I want to say "Tom who was a traveler to 
Baltimore."

    .tom. poi la .baltimor. pu klama

.trans.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:40:49 AM UTC-4, v4hn wro=
te:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br>You didn't read on.
<br>
<br>However, ``ke'a'' can be omitted if it is clear to the listener that it=
 belongs in some place other than x1:=20
<br>
<br>1.8) &nbsp;tu poi le mlatu pu lacpu cu ratcu
<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; That-distant-thing which the cat drags is-a-rat
<br>
<br>Also, please consider to ask your more basic questions on the lojban-be=
ginners mailing list.
<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's my point about the ambiguit=
y. Either it fills x1 or or it fills the next available sumiti. There needs=
 to be no "presumption" or "if it is clear to the listener". I may have int=
erpreted that sentence differently than you too. To me it read that one cou=
ld presume it was in *any* slot other x1 if it made contextual sense to the=
 listener. e.g. if x3 was "clear to the listener" they'd could choose that =
one too. As opposed to the interpretation that it meant the "next available=
 slot". Eliminating that ambiguity was my point of bringing this up.&nbsp;<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Personally I think it makes more sense for it just=
 to always be x1 b/c it is easy enough to add `se` or `te` as needed, and I=
 think if fits the intent of NOI better. Consider I want to say "Tom who wa=
s a traveler to Baltimore."</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; .tom. po=
i la .baltimor. pu klama</div><div><br></div><div>.trans.<br></div><div><br=
></div></div>

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