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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The CLL project, technical directions
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On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:19:44 PM UTC-4, Robin Powell wrote:
>
>
> So let me start off by saying that pandoc is certainly not out of 
> the question and you're welcome to try to do something like that.  I 
> played with it myself for a while. 
>
>
Would it be possible for me to get a copy of the source material, even just 
a chapter or two portion, to work with? 


The background here is that I want a system that basically any 
> programmer can work with without significant train-up time, because 
> no matter what I pick it seems like everybody talks about how they 
> don't want to work with it.  Haskell is unusually popular around 
> here so it's not completely out of the question, but let's face it, 
> getting up to speed on a Haskell library isn't exactly trivial most 
> of the time.  To use pandoc I would need to be really compelled by 
> it, and "has no indexing at all" is not how you compel me in to work 
> on something like the CLL, which has a *VAST* index. 
>
>  
Ok.
 

> Teaching a system that has no concept of an index whatsoever how to 
> render one means thoroughly learning a new system that, at the time, 
> I had no indication that anyone else would be familiar with or be 
> able to help with.  That sounds tedious and upleasent to me, just 
> because of the time that would be required to learn pandoc. 
>
> In addition to my primary goal being accessibility for other coders 
> and the specific issue of the index, though, it's not just the 
> index. 
>
> http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/pandoc_vs_docbook/ 
>
> Look at the HTML, specifically the "I sell this-thing/these-things 
> to that-buyer/those-buyers." example.  I don't know why the tables 
> align differently; I'd have to go figure that out.  The examples 
> have no numbers.  etc, etc, etc; there's a ton of work there 
>

The HTML shouldn't be too hard to fix, at least mostly. I am more concerned 
about the PDF output though, that a bit harder to fix.
 

> I have no idea how much work it will take to teach pandoc everything 
> I need to teach it.  I have a pretty good idea how long the Ruby 
> solution will take, though (I'd say on the order of a hundred 
> hours). 
>

Ok. Well, maybe that is best choice at this time then. I am a (very good) 
Ruby programmer so I may be able to help a bit there too.

But I would like to see how far I can get the Pandoc solution to work. 
Thing is, I have my own book to publish eventually. So I have an ulterior 
motive of perfecting a publishing platform for myself as well, and I am 
absolutely adamant about KISS. Using the LLC as base material for working 
that out should be perfect b/c it contain many of the same kinds of 
constructs I will need (examples, tables, index, etc). 

If I can't get the Pandoc to work, or find something similar, than I may 
just join your Ruby-platform alliance ;-)

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:19:44 PM UTC-4, Robin Po=
well wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><br>So let me start=
 off by saying that pandoc is certainly not out of
<br>the question and you're welcome to try to do something like that. &nbsp=
;I
<br>played with it myself for a while.
<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Would it be possible for me to get a c=
opy of the source material, even just a chapter or two portion, to work wit=
h?&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddin=
g-left: 1ex;">The background here is that I want a system that basically an=
y
<br>programmer can work with without significant train-up time, because
<br>no matter what I pick it seems like everybody talks about how they
<br>don't want to work with it. &nbsp;Haskell is unusually popular around
<br>here so it's not completely out of the question, but let's face it,
<br>getting up to speed on a Haskell library isn't exactly trivial most
<br>of the time. &nbsp;To use pandoc I would need to be really compelled by
<br>it, and "has no indexing at all" is not how you compel me in to work
<br>on something like the CLL, which has a *VAST* index.
<br>
<br></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Ok.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Teaching a system that has no concept of=
 an index whatsoever how to
<br>render one means thoroughly learning a new system that, at the time,
<br>I had no indication that anyone else would be familiar with or be
<br>able to help with. &nbsp;That sounds tedious and upleasent to me, just
<br>because of the time that would be required to learn pandoc.
<br>
<br>In addition to my primary goal being accessibility for other coders
<br>and the specific issue of the index, though, it's not just the
<br>index.
<br>
<br><a href=3D"http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/pandoc_vs_doc=
book/" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/=
url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fvrici.lojban.org%2F~rlpowell%2Fmedia%2Fpublic%2Fpandoc=
_vs_docbook%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGj0Mtgba1WoCFDrE2nH-LY8zX=
nJA';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75ht=
tp%3A%2F%2Fvrici.lojban.org%2F~rlpowell%2Fmedia%2Fpublic%2Fpandoc_vs_docboo=
k%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGj0Mtgba1WoCFDrE2nH-LY8zXnJA';retur=
n true;">http://vrici.lojban.org/~<wbr>rlpowell/media/public/pandoc_<wbr>vs=
_docbook/</a>
<br>
<br>Look at the HTML, specifically the "I sell this-thing/these-things
<br>to that-buyer/those-buyers." example. &nbsp;I don't know why the tables
<br>align differently; I'd have to go figure that out. &nbsp;The examples
<br>have no numbers. &nbsp;etc, etc, etc; there's a ton of work there
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The HTML shouldn't be too hard to fix,=
 at least mostly. I am more concerned about the PDF output though, that a b=
it harder to fix.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft: 1ex;">I have no idea how much work it will take to teach pandoc everyth=
ing
<br>I need to teach it. &nbsp;I have a pretty good idea how long the Ruby
<br>solution will take, though (I'd say on the order of a hundred
<br>hours).
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ok. Well, maybe that is best choice at=
 this time then. I am a (very good) Ruby programmer so I may be able to hel=
p a bit there too.</div><div><br></div><div>But I would like to see how far=
 I can get the Pandoc solution to work. Thing is, I have my own book to pub=
lish eventually. So I have an ulterior motive of perfecting a publishing pl=
atform for myself as well, and I am absolutely adamant about KISS. Using th=
e LLC as base material for working that out should be perfect b/c it contai=
n many of the same kinds of constructs I will need (examples, tables, index=
, etc).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If I can't get the Pandoc to work, o=
r find something similar, than I may just join your Ruby-platform alliance =
;-)</div></div>

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