Received: from mail-lb0-f185.google.com ([209.85.217.185]:59111) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XHIiO-0001iL-II for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:41 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f185.google.com with SMTP id p9sf742686lbv.2 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BuaAitSw+bZ19AR0XdPB/TuMjviVfIqf1vWNAXEsmpM=; b=BD4ymIbMlF4R9E4YHLpst1RS+ZYruRSIZzEat/VIhYOWxsru0X2BqTqtvCQNK8ojMe foSH7W063Zw4BS67gr5BYfe3qliBe8T/96oZDsRtUHJGlqXGFZ3MxttRgcgTxCkyEVcn kHt+pdDmq8pDw1mCOvQWJT0nhJ3iJFJCJXgDwBvUaQJdlfgV/m1XtvfrciKpMiLhG1pf obONKb2MrWRi0lBGYnwkLsfGlK3SlBMXoqRUsEksQyiPW7PM79PWYxKsAjfKNQbUoO3F VEshOuMwJ3EsGEx5HZmrsDk5EXpj7vtxodESGgU5vJj4zqbMEGAOAEHxFpPAsAiND/Bf O+Og== X-Received: by 10.152.37.100 with SMTP id x4mr250laj.29.1407875433079; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.224.129 with SMTP id rc1ls75321lac.55.gmail; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.9.34 with SMTP id w2mr10926lba.12.1407875432242; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x244.google.com (mail-wg0-x244.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::244]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m15si1527034wiw.0.2014.08.12.13.30.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gameplaysearch.com@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::244; Received: by mail-wg0-f68.google.com with SMTP id m15so4253991wgh.3 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.58.244 with SMTP id u20mr164184wjq.36.1407875432134; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.17.199 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140812093640.GX28465@samsa.fritz.box> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:30:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] GameplaySearch Kickstarter 2014 From: GameplaySearch Com To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gameplaysearch.com@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gameplaysearch.com@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gameplaysearch.com@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86cf26053ef60500748bf2 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b86cf26053ef60500748bf2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thank you. On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:26 AM, .arpis. wrote: > I second {la van}. Lojban's semantics are not fully specified, and even > parsing it correctly is tricky in some cases. Also, expecting your users to > learn lojban is unrealistic. > > You might want to look into Attempto Controlled English [1], but I'd focus > on getting the query language right and general and helping users construct > queries rather than parsing human language. > > Also, I tried to use the advanced search on your website and got an error. > Steps taken > 1. Click on "advanced search" > 2. Select "Final Destination", "Mr. Game & Watch", and "Sheik (If you > should only be able to select one of each category, you should be using > radio buttons, not check boxes) > 3. Click on "continue" > 4. Get uninformative webpage that says "Error" and "Sorry, an error > occurred." > > [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempto_Controlled_English > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:36 AM, v4hn wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:13:54AM -0700, GameplaySearch wrote: >> > This query language parses a subset of English, >> > but can easily be extended to parse full-blown Lojban >> >> I believe that the very moment I see it. >> pe'i You're overly confident. >> >> It's _not_ easy to support the semantics of "full-blown Lojban". >> Otherwise lots of projects would do that already.. >> There are some attempts out there, but well... To the best of my >> knowledge, they all fall short of various aspects. >> >> >> mi'e la .van. mu'o >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:26 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
I second {la van}. Lojban's semantics are not fully specified, and e= ven parsing it correctly is tricky in some cases. Also, expecting your user= s to learn lojban is unrealistic.

You might want to look into Attempto Controlled English [1], but = I'd focus on getting the query language right and general and helping u= sers construct queries rather than parsing human language.

Also, I tried to use the advanced search on your website and got an error. = Steps taken
1. Click on "advanced search"
2. Se= lect "Final Destination", "Mr. Game & Watch", and &= quot;Sheik (If you should only be able to select one of each category, you = should be using radio buttons, not check boxes)
3. Click on "continue"
4. Get uninformative webpag= e that says=C2=A0"Error" and "Sorry, an error occurred."= ;
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at= 5:36 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:13:54AM -070= 0, GameplaySearch wrote:
> This query language parses a subset of English,
> but can easily be extended to parse full-blown Lojban

I believe that the very moment I see it.
pe'i You're overly confident.

It's _not_ easy to support the semantics of "full-blown Lojban&quo= t;.
Otherwise lots of projects would do that already..
There are some attempts out there, but well... To the best of my
knowledge, they all fall short of various aspects.


mi'e la .van. mu'o



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