Received: from mail-oa0-f62.google.com ([209.85.219.62]:51816) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XJXGo-0001jV-Nx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:27 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f62.google.com with SMTP id i7sf1409337oag.7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/tte9f/qjN0RoH5t+i0f8qMDlWzBlB11NhDwug8974s=; b=zNq2CL7eEHrA2dAxgwgE1YWVHBYMeiVjhAMcxe5FD8tLGo6Esn4QwZixQhUkOVlSON n0zUHBMIr6aImRZfBFEV0OLHCV8h+2lk5xKluXxisQXFABPM0YyYMjWLeGfvxOnIF7xq O8D9xaiCqSVXTxBlkKX6dQJ4QqOistZN/y8Eg6KklC7lAB51gM+2ENw3ZnG5KRk+5Q1t WILZ7dtXazIuCQEB46GbyxheUDh/PjGA0QZNhFpW2t2IqopktuTeYuSJjfM2MpCixC0p UI7PKTTbVeOpismOgS4rgq+ZIT9HbEuLBilIbAvU6f982IYmgWVxC9nRsorARqiHv2wP Bnig== X-Received: by 10.140.19.213 with SMTP id 79mr621041qgh.5.1408408040115; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.91.40 with SMTP id y37ls2737434qgd.2.gmail; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.26.105 with SMTP id b69mr2081662yha.55.1408408039835; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x235.google.com (mail-vc0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q8si196796vdg.0.2014.08.18.17.27.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235; Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf12so6712541vcb.12 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.98.201 with SMTP id ek9mr5053565vdb.35.1408408039696; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.193.200 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:27:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:27:19 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] End vowel for slot? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307ca2c2e7adfd0500f08c4f X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --20cf307ca2c2e7adfd0500f08c4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:11 PM, TR NS wrote: > Hope it's okay to discuss conlang variations of Lojban on this list. As an > armchair conlanger, I can't help but wonder about a few "what-ifs" as I > read the CLL. One that keeps coming back to me is the idea that the last > vowel of a brivla (is that the right word?) could specify the slot > intended, instead of having to to use `se`, `te`, `ve` or `xe`. > > klama => klama > se klama => klame > te klama => klami > ve klama => klamo > xe klama => klamu > > It just seems a very natural extension of the predicate nature of Lojban's > words. > That would work for gismu, but not for brivla in general, unless you also drastically reduce the number of available rafsi. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --20cf307ca2c2e7adfd0500f08c4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:11 PM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
Hope it's okay to discuss conlang variat= ions of Lojban on this list. As an armchair conlanger, I can't help but= wonder about a few "what-ifs" as I read the CLL. One that keeps = coming back to me is the idea that the last vowel of a brivla (is that the = right word?) could specify the slot intended, instead of having to to use `= se`, `te`, `ve` or `xe`.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 klama = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =3D> =C2=A0klama
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 se klama =C2=A0=3D> =C2=A0klame
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0te klama =C2=A0=3D>= ; =C2=A0= klami
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0ve klama =C2=A0=3D>= ; =C2=A0= klamo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0xe klama =C2=A0=3D> =C2=A0klamu

It just seems a very natural e= xtension of the predicate nature of Lojban's words.

That would work for gismu, but not for brivla in genera= l, unless you also drastically reduce the number of available rafsi.
<= div>
mu'o mi'e xorxes

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