Received: from mail-ee0-f60.google.com ([74.125.83.60]:55920) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XJcJe-00038i-Az for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:43 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f60.google.com with SMTP id e53sf37482eek.5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iMSjka+7ZQ3BdRCDU+P44PNFKdBBIwY9cJw3SKVMvwE=; b=jcObGTV3k3/ivptXnKrgW+G5i2jl/pF+Se5q1oxuhH+5dNpG2Uhel+8FAVRtrnKg5H NaGyHcfsFN5nSUJe6+w4Z+rDs0Ioj2mtA6DyfdXyiWAermOrDcqQOWwDCQlYISNP4AdC VMyJTp4WTd7I68QsIfMJuK/TE1vgqbb8YQvctaRLjbTvGGUajhGRjXj9zTATH4GEvIf/ JRjza+aTmU+Sl/V4pk2l9PJIj/e/i1TejlM0gZZaPt9Z546YP+Mlp74qMLuQ9xikbdG1 sSs9N5C/vXpZzMBnFdNNzQYrs8XCe3nY76KOQJbOUe1uLxbifdD4WDPcvAJ14b5s1svL xa6A== X-Received: by 10.152.87.173 with SMTP id az13mr145lab.37.1408427435025; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.153.5.12 with SMTP id ci12ls519051lad.93.gmail; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.170.166 with SMTP id an6mr6130lbc.17.1408427434185; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x244.google.com (mail-wg0-x244.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::244]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si742625wie.3.2014.08.18.22.50.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::244; Received: by mail-wg0-f68.google.com with SMTP id m15so2043315wgh.7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.108.1 with SMTP id hg1mr4060139wib.25.1408427434045; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.71.197 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:50:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:50:33 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] End vowel for slot? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba097e5f57a0500f51026 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --e89a8f3ba097e5f57a0500f51026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Loglan worked this way: logli = x1 is a Loglan speaker/Loglander. loglo = x1 is an element/feature/expression of the Loglandic culture. logle = x1 is an Loglandic place/territory, a region inhabited by Loglanders. logla = x1 is an element/feature/expression of Loglan. 2014-08-19 4:11 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > Hope it's okay to discuss conlang variations of Lojban on this list. As an > armchair conlanger, I can't help but wonder about a few "what-ifs" as I > read the CLL. One that keeps coming back to me is the idea that the last > vowel of a brivla (is that the right word?) could specify the slot > intended, instead of having to to use `se`, `te`, `ve` or `xe`. > > klama => klama > se klama => klame > te klama => klami > ve klama => klamo > xe klama => klamu > > It just seems a very natural extension of the predicate nature of Lojban's > words. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Loglan worked this way:
logli =3D x1 is a Loglan speak= er/Loglander.
loglo =3D x1 is an element/feature/expression of th= e Loglandic culture.
logle =3D x1 is an Loglandic place/territory= , a region inhabited by Loglanders.
logla =3D x1 is an element/feature/expression of Loglan.



2014-08-19 4:11 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com><= /span>:
Hope it's okay to discuss conlang variat= ions of Lojban on this list. As an armchair conlanger, I can't help but= wonder about a few "what-ifs" as I read the CLL. One that keeps = coming back to me is the idea that the last vowel of a brivla (is that the = right word?) could specify the slot intended, instead of having to to use `= se`, `te`, `ve` or `xe`.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 klama = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =3D> =C2=A0klama
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 se klama =C2=A0=3D> =C2=A0klame
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0te klama =C2=A0=3D>= ; =C2=A0= klami
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0ve klama =C2=A0=3D>= ; =C2=A0= klamo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0xe klama =C2=A0=3D> =C2=A0klamu

It just seems a very natural e= xtension of the predicate nature of Lojban's words.

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