Received: from mail-we0-f191.google.com ([74.125.82.191]:42776) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XJm4P-0008Bc-Nv for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:39 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f191.google.com with SMTP id k48sf737059wev.28 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Rm5XAXLjOTxW+Ndzbx5MB4KFIokLhl8X4gtJqwlq9sE=; b=uftEniKPvkDTZj1qfblmw1aI2cbuDQROPPmD+UmfEqq1u/PDV7mdbYjctzNSdaCnHm 1nRNR2QKltpaBU7tHio05BJd4nRKjNkq5TXZlWOkh1pQmXWC6LH8mo4hBbqaxZwqQdYo Z7JMpLYitAoI2ae0dXeN41tSeQQsiukXwN3b92/pmRSgVFAGz2Ycd3dof30YlwnL744b bXfe9noANzPpNYQIThDQ03xh67rNlfC7LxTgzWnhfDaCZq7+6nELDZOzrPdZNL+PCWwF l2v6SBhmrUoKI3fqWXKU3VdA4ex6Xyr3izd6gTVX4FuK8qNM4DirEeSdsJZaL6RckZyg XeJA== X-Received: by 10.152.43.130 with SMTP id w2mr8712lal.18.1408464930568; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.6.2 with SMTP id w2ls49042law.97.gmail; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.113.5.12 with SMTP id ci12mr340214lbd.14.1408464929799; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m6si851750wik.2.2014.08.19.09.15.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f; Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id b13so6509970wgh.6 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.134.70 with SMTP id pi6mr52902687wjb.1.1408464929660; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.142.148 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53F3764C.3020301@lojban.org> References: <53F3764C.3020301@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:15:29 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01175d9dcfa6ff0500fdcbb0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e01175d9dcfa6ff0500fdcbb0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-08-19 20:07 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier : > On 8/18/2014 7:00 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> IMO the main drawback is not any committees but the lack of CMS. >> > > CMS ki'a? content management system. E.g. many people say that tiki isnt fine. So other solutions have to be considered > > > The tiki had a page "ongoing projects". However, it wasn't said how you >> contribute. >> > > If you mean updating the status of said projects, by editing the page. If > you mean contributing to the project work, that is up to whoever is > responsible for the project. All that LLG does is provide recognition to > said projects. > > > There was no algorithm of how you can help with those projects. >> > > There isn't one. It is entirely up to whoever is organizing the project. > > > 2. There is no platforum for translations to Lojban. >> > > In general, if something isn't found on the lojban web pages, it is up to > the community to create it. If no one does so, it doesn't get done. If a > software tool is needed, you need to provide it or (if it already exists) > ask Robin if it can be made available. As I said I know what tools are fine for me. So personally I have no problems with that. > > > 3. Another succesfull project is Masato Hagiwara's camxes.js >> >> That it was placed on github allowed us to start developing it further. >> Github is another nice platform for completing projects. >> > > And yet that bears the same problem you describe above. Many people > (including myself) have no idea what github is or how to use it or which if > any projects may be found on it. For IT-related projects it's fine. For those who are not programmers it has no value. > > > 4. Many people don't even know that they can add words to jbovlaste. >> Yes, it's not a joke. They don't know cuz nobody tells them! >> > > I know they can be added, but I never learned how. But jbovlaste is the > first listed of official projects and the link takes you to a page that > identifies a "How you can help" which talks about adding words. Since people still have no idea it only means that this link is not enough. People appear to be dumber than previously thought. Always blame the teacher, not students. > > > 5. Few know about the IRC channel #lojban which is the main place of >> activity. >> > > It's on the main menu shown on the Lojban home page. I don't know why > people don't know of it given that prominent location. This question has been recently asked in the Facebook group. > > I'm trying to address issues 4 and 5 in another wiki. >> > > What good will that do. The information is there. The main problem is > that no one looks at it. Maybe they don't know how to find things, but it > seems that this call for a revision of the home page index. > Another wiki is mw.lojban.org > > lojbab > > In general I'm surprised that you replied to my post, not to the main post of this thread. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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2014-08-19 20:07 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier <= ;lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 8/18/2014 7:00 AM, Gleki = Arxokuna wrote:
IMO the main drawback is not any committees but the lack of CMS.

CMS ki'a?

content management system. E.= g. many people say that tiki isnt fine. So other solutions have to be consi= dered


The tiki had a page "ongoing projects". However, it wasn't sa= id how you
contribute.

If you mean updating the status of said projects, by editing the page. If y= ou mean contributing to the project work, that is up to whoever is responsi= ble for the project.=C2=A0 All that LLG does is provide recognition to said= projects.


There was no algorithm of how you can help with those projects.

There isn't one.=C2=A0 It is entirely up to whoever is organizing the p= roject.


2. There is no platforum for translations to Lojban.

In general, if something isn't found on the lojban web pages, it is up = to the community to create it.=C2=A0 If no one does so, it doesn't get = done.=C2=A0 If a software tool is needed, you need to provide it or (if it = already exists) ask Robin if it can be made available.

As I said I know what tools are fine for me. So persona= lly I have no problems with that.
=C2=A0


3. Another succesfull project is Masato Hagiwara's camxes.js

That it was placed on github allowed us to start developing it further.
Github is another nice platform for completing projects.

And yet that bears the same problem you describe above.=C2=A0 Many people (= including myself) have no idea what github is or how to use it or which if = any projects may be found on it.

For IT-rel= ated projects it's fine. For those who are not programmers it has no va= lue.
=C2=A0


4. Many people don't even know that they can add words to jbovlaste. Yes, it's not a joke. They don't know cuz nobody tells them!

I know they can be added, but I never learned how.=C2=A0 But jbovlaste is t= he first listed of official projects and the link takes you to a page that = identifies a "How you can help" which talks about adding words.

Since people still have no idea it only means that this= link is not enough. People appear to be dumber than previously thought. Al= ways blame the teacher, not students.

=C2=A0
=


5. Few know about the IRC channel #lojban which is the main place of
activity.

It's on the main menu shown on the Lojban home page.=C2=A0 I don't = know why people don't know of it given that prominent location.

This question has been recently asked in the Faceb= ook group.



I'm trying to address issues 4 and 5 in another wiki.

What good will that do.=C2=A0 The information is there.=C2=A0 The main prob= lem is that no one looks at it.=C2=A0 Maybe they don't know how to find= things, but it seems that this call for a revision of the home page index.=


lojbab

=


In general I'm surprised that you re= plied to my post, not to the main post of this thread.

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