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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 8/19/2014 4:10 PM, TR NS wrote: > What is BPFK? > > All this is a little hard to understand as someone new to the community. > Also, seems like you guys have things ahh... well made things a little > bit complicated ? It is an acronym for the lojban phrase for language-plan-responsible-committee. The chairman has the title "jatna" meaning "captain, leader, chief". Things aren't that complicated, but are to some extent constrained by history, and an extensive knowledge of what hasn't worked so far (remembering that Loglan originally started almost 60 years ago, and its redesign Lojban almost 30 years ago). Originally, I, as Founder of the project, pretty much made all decisions about the language design, advised by others who were participating at the moment. By 1994, it had been clearly demonstrated that I no longer could aspire to do everything - I had too much on my plate as well as a couple of kids newly adopted from Russia. Others informally took up various tasks, with John Cowan taking over as "chief grammarian" among other things. He wrote a bunch of essays on language design and revised some that I had written (as well as one from Nick Nicolas and one from my wife Nora), and by 1997 assembled them into what is now the Lojban reference grammar _The Complete Lojban Language_ (CLL). One of my remaining projects was to produce a Lojban dictionary based on the gismu, cmavo, and rafsi lists along with some number of well-defined lujvo. I started to do so, but became severely hung up on how to produce dictionary quality definitions of the cmavo. Partly this depended on the essays that Cowan was writing (a project that was originally called "the selma'o catalog"). The bottom line is that CLL got done, and we still had no dictionary. The members were tried of waiting for me, and the result was that we declared a baseline (stating that the language development was DONE and not going to change). This was vital to many people because historically many had held back from learning Loglan/Lojban because it was perpetually changing - not naturally, but by decree. So I agreed that I/we would no longer change anything in the language, and that we would finish the dictionary, which with CLL and the parser would constitute a formal set of documentation for the language. The design was to freeze for a minimum of 5 years (hopefully longer). But by 2002, after 5 years from the original baseline, we still had no dictionary definitions for the cmavo, and hence no complete documentation. John Cowan and I were unable to keep up the time and energy needed to do it ourselves, so LLG as an organization delegated the job to the BPFK, with Nick Nicolas as jatna. As the discussion of this thread has described, it is now 12 years later and we still have no cmavo dictionary. One significant change from CLL (called "xorlo") has been widely accepted by language users, and other usages are deviating somewhat from the CLL description. So there is much pressure to finally get something done, especially since we are about a year away from selling out of the original edition of CLL. Meanwhile, the Internet has completely changed the way most people do this sort of activity, and the organization hasn't really kept up with the times (and I more than most, since I don't even use a cell phone, and only minimally use FB and no other social networking.) The issue came up at least in part because I've had a series of serious health problems over the last year, and I have to consider the future of the organization when I no longer am able to participate even to the minimal extent that I have. That affects primarily the organizational aspect of the Logical Language Group more than the language itself, though finally completing my promises of a couple decades ago is rather important to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.