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> The ONLY change that is officially approved since CLL is "xorlo", but 
> "xorlo" is more or less optional from the standpoint of a learner, since 
> it reportedly doesn't invalidate any CLL usage.  (But many learners 
> apparently find it easier to understand than the CLL version of the same 
> words). 
>
> I guess that would be the only official change, but I think the way people 
use certain things has changed slightly. For instance, in lo mi jufra, when 
"lo me lo drata ku moi" was used, I looked up "moi" in the CLL. My 
understanding is that it can now attach to any sumti, meaning "something of 
a set related to <sumti>. Just little stuff like that.

>
>   It seems as if nothing 
> > is unified, and to truly understand Lojban I would have to read through 
> > decades of mailing list archives. 
>
> Nobody else has, so you don't need to.  Use what you do understand and 
> try things you think you might understand, learning from any errors that 
> are pointed out to you. 
>

Phew, that's a relief. :) And the tiki feels like a maze to me, which I 
guess is part of the seemingly overwhelming amount of community content out 
there.

We'd all love for those to exist, but it takes time to write and edit 
> and proofread and index, etc, when everyone is a volunteer and the most 
> knowledgeable seem to be most short of time. 
>

 Of course. I'll be patient, and I wish you the best of luck in it.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>The ONLY change that is officially approved since CLL is "xorlo", but=
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<br>"xorlo" is more or less optional from the standpoint of a learner, sinc=
e=20
<br>it reportedly doesn't invalidate any CLL usage. &nbsp;(But many learner=
s=20
<br>apparently find it easier to understand than the CLL version of the sam=
e=20
<br>words).
<br>
<br></blockquote><div>I guess that would be the only official change, but I=
 think the way people use certain things has changed slightly. For instance=
, in lo mi jufra, when "lo me lo drata ku moi" was used, I looked up "moi" =
in the CLL. My understanding is that it can now attach to any sumti, meanin=
g "something of a set related to &lt;sumti&gt;. Just little stuff like that=
.<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>&nbsp; It seems as if nothing
<br>&gt; is unified, and to truly understand Lojban I would have to read th=
rough
<br>&gt; decades of mailing list archives.
<br>
<br>Nobody else has, so you don't need to. &nbsp;Use what you do understand=
 and=20
<br>try things you think you might understand, learning from any errors tha=
t=20
<br>are pointed out to you.
<br></blockquote><div><br>Phew, that's a relief. :) And the tiki feels like=
 a maze to me, which I guess is part of the seemingly overwhelming amount o=
f community content out there.<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddin=
g-left: 1ex;">We'd all love for those to exist, but it takes time to write =
and edit <br>and proofread and index, etc, when everyone is a volunteer and=
 the most=20
<br>knowledgeable seem to be most short of time.
<br></blockquote><div><br>&nbsp;Of course. I'll be patient, and I wish you =
the best of luck in it.<br></div></div>

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