Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a;
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <3f25ad84-f8bd-42ea-975b-10c2a107cc39@googlegroups.com>
References: <fef8c82f-c3b3-4f99-925b-9b940d0c5913@googlegroups.com>
 <53F3E554.2040703@lojban.org> <3f25ad84-f8bd-42ea-975b-10c2a107cc39@googlegroups.com>
From: Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:45:03 -0400
Message-ID: <CAOQ8VDXfEAq-nLbvOx0K7S9O4V2e350TO2qkfdY6CwYhMDrDbA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting
To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50409848468fd050106984c
X-Spam_score: -1.9
X-Spam_score_int: -18
X-Spam_bar: -

--bcaec50409848468fd050106984c
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On 19 August 2014 21:50, Spacenut <matthew@igregoire.com> wrote:

> I  think the way people use certain things has changed slightly. For
> instance, in lo mi jufra, when "lo me lo drata ku moi" was used, I looked
> up "moi" in the CLL. My understanding is that it can now attach to any
> sumti, meaning "something of a set related to <sumti>. Just little stuff
> like that.
>

It's not that {moi} attaches to sumti; {moi} can attach to a preceding
{me}-clause.
The CLL *does* discuss this in the chapter on mekso, as a way to allow
mekso before a MOI, which is otherwise not possible:
https://lojban.github.io/cll/18/11/
This has since been generalized, at least in the case of {moi}, to allow
for arbitrary sumti in the preceing {me}-clause.
That generalization is documented in a BPFK section:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Numeric+selbri

You're right that the way people use things has changed though. Just look
at how we use {ka}-abstractions in IRC some day.

It's because of this divergeance between the CLL and usage that we need
some way to update the CLL, which is not possible until the publication of
CLL1.1.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--bcaec50409848468fd050106984c
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr">On 19 August 2014 21:50, Spacenut <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:matthew@igregoire.com" target=3D"_blank">matthew@igregoire.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I=C2=A0 think the way people use certain things has c=
hanged slightly. For instance, in lo mi jufra, when &quot;lo me lo drata ku=
 moi&quot; was used, I looked up &quot;moi&quot; in the CLL. My understandi=
ng is that it can now attach to any sumti, meaning &quot;something of a set=
 related to &lt;sumti&gt;. Just little stuff like that.<br>

</div></div></blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s not that {moi} attaches to sumti=
; {moi} can attach to a preceding {me}-clause.<br>The CLL *does* discuss th=
is in the chapter on mekso, as a way to allow mekso before a MOI, which is =
otherwise not possible: <a href=3D"https://lojban.github.io/cll/18/11/">htt=
ps://lojban.github.io/cll/18/11/</a><br>

This has since been generalized, at least in the case of {moi}, to allow fo=
r arbitrary sumti in the preceing {me}-clause.<br>That generalization is do=
cumented in a BPFK section: <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Sect=
ion%3A+Numeric+selbri">http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Numeric+s=
elbri</a><br>

<br>You&#39;re right that the way people use things has changed though. Jus=
t look at how we use {ka}-abstractions in IRC some day.<br><br>It&#39;s bec=
ause of this divergeance between the CLL and usage that we need some way to=
 update the CLL, which is not possible until the publication of CLL1.1.<br>

<br>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;lojban&quot; group.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com">lojban+unsub=
scribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.=
com">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>.<br />
Visit this group at <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/lojban">http:=
//groups.google.com/group/lojban</a>.<br />
For more options, visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/d/optout">http=
s://groups.google.com/d/optout</a>.<br />

--bcaec50409848468fd050106984c--