Received: from mail-wi0-f184.google.com ([209.85.212.184]:33897) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XKBMt-00084R-Ia for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:24 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f184.google.com with SMTP id n3sf715791wiv.1 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9bw76GhDASjp4U7thqsdZhrhONWKxVGln3ctTb/Y1FI=; b=bmUorfuvJWFul8fsJOYAPN9BRHPUwpeDWsfwz/DjQl85zUr3CVoi8D8RqDv+/STSeC aNI+6d5Kao+q6HCL38hrPqqQdEUOUWItNVN6kEag1x/O2c03jNphCdm15SZehwpJj8yp JdBbSCJ9swzTODuIxPDNQdmGvtWjw+cg18nAtYvGaQcCtZk4lXAQWPsXosZCt1afshLW +so403yc7t7J/bK4+zIrXEkWgZLZTSUhwvjUC6TmdWXWehfEKwGrcjlrMJeCampHrsE1 L7PjDA5Yzzh+GVWuZ3uH3QsKrvmV/B/0gsP8TkqNe3famW9LzZnweMAM4ZxqbQ3YqGhB v6fg== X-Received: by 10.180.9.69 with SMTP id x5mr81348wia.4.1408562175063; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.96.99 with SMTP id dr3ls742866wib.7.canary; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.181.13.195 with SMTP id fa3mr545034wid.0.1408562174569; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22d.google.com (mail-we0-x22d.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fg8si230001wic.1.2014.08.20.12.16.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d; Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id q58so8369044wes.18 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.203.8 with SMTP id km8mr62143910wjc.51.1408562174471; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.142.148 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4617588b-5f04-45b8-b144-d5c41991760e@googlegroups.com> References: <543519c7-ee91-4ef3-90ed-8198ecf22b0d@googlegroups.com> <81ec7c3b-00b5-4bc0-839c-f137bc2c0991@googlegroups.com> <4617588b-5f04-45b8-b144-d5c41991760e@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 23:16:14 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] One end cmavo to rule them all From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bae47e60db4460501147086 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bae47e60db4460501147086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-08-20 23:00 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > > On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:31:24 PM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> >> 2014-08-20 21:27 GMT+04:00 Jonathan Jones : >> >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:02 AM, TR NS wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. I have done that and began the work. Here is my progress: >>>> https://github.com/trans/lojban-sentinels >>>> >>>> Although still early (no doubt some important magic interactions still >>>> need consideration) I am thinking of introducing proposal in a new thread. >>>> >>> >> >> TR NS, learn the language as you can. Even if you have proposals. >> There are many ways to the top of the mountain. >> > > I'll keep at. I wrote this proposal only b/c others seemed to think it had > merit too. And I thought "if not me than who?". Of course the bonus is that > it really has helped me get a better grasp on some of the grammar. `to` And > get pretty damn well confused about those mekso operators! `xau to` ;-) > > Could you please put the translation of your examples to "normal" Lojban >> so that we can compare them? >> I'm interested in your proposal. >> >> > Done. I added two more examples too, but it's hard to find good examples > b/c the terminators are so often elidable. If you have some better examples > to replace the ones I have dug up that would be great. > Indeed, I never use {ku'o}. It seems like it is always elidable or replaceable with {vau}. As for other terminators. {be'o} is necessary in {be'o poi} however, if {poi poi} is allowed in the grammar then {be'o} can be dropped too. {do'u} is often elidable if you say {COI do}/{doi do}. {kei} is to be replaced with {vau}. TEI and mekso are poorly thought out parts of the grammar so i won't even comment. I made a pull request fixing some mistypes. > je'e do > .trans. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bae47e60db4460501147086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



2014-08-20 23:00 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

On Wednesday, August 20= , 2014 1:31:24 PM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:


2014-08-20 21:27 G= MT+04:00 Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com>:

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:02 AM, TR NS <= tran...@gmail.com> wrote:
= Thanks. I have done that and began the work. Here is my progress: https://gi= thub.com/trans/lojban-sentinels

Although still early (no doubt some important magic int= eractions still need consideration) I am thinking of introducing proposal i= n a new thread.


TR NS, learn the language as you can. Ev= en if you have proposals.
There are many ways to the top of the m= ountain.

I'll keep at. I wrote this proposal only b/c others seemed to think it = had merit too. And I thought "if not me than who?". Of course the= bonus is that it really has helped me get a better grasp on some of the gr= ammar. `to` And get pretty damn well confused about those mekso operators! = `xau to` ;-)

Could you please put the = translation of your examples to "normal" Lojban so that we can co= mpare them?
I'm interested in your proposal.

<= /div>

Done. I added two more examples= too, but it's hard to find good examples b/c the terminators are so of= ten elidable. If you have some better examples to replace the ones I have d= ug up that would be great.


Indeed, I never use {= ku'o}. It seems like it is always elidable or replaceable with {vau}.

As for other terminators. {be'o} =C2=A0is neces= sary in {be'o poi} however, if {poi poi} is allowed in the grammar then= {be'o} can be dropped too.

{do'u} is often elidable if you say {COI do}/{doi d= o}.
{kei} is to be replaced with {vau}.
TEI and mekso a= re poorly thought out parts of the grammar so i won't even comment.

I made a pull request fixing some mistypes.
<= br>

je'e do
=C2=A0.trans.

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