Received: from mail-qa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.216.60]:64899) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XKU8m-00077l-Qd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:19:07 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id w8sf2177651qac.25 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BnPoXLcefe5sxzY2Q5rCgrl+GlN9szL37SBl7rchB4c=; b=Lvh6CtAHJMU2UR3TQjpAU87E7bW6xl8kjKU4Svp/YQ2f5YuIEtCSxFvgCsk3jva5Is J4IhA42wTefRunqus2FNeOOFMZ/59Z3kug+QzAbbpAN7mQJVf0X7nfOtZYQAyHP+Q7z/ NqqgDaLvxZobDSP7wY2J+7wUlt8oKwFm9EpD87MzpRseGbw8QFrKc3beq7d/46mEO0IO hozQAL5poPfx/qT47XuAxd4WnkfD8KY2Szqh54yTCkNL4sdOD2ydXzD5+EmaZjcWfdZ4 jrxKZMM0h0gcrRzrLzTx2SHfedqJK645uotM3GOpMSyA2/LFBrf1FbDBJn2GBaRbyudW HQIw== X-Received: by 10.140.32.227 with SMTP id h90mr16462qgh.26.1408634338101; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.101.6 with SMTP id t6ls731013qge.32.gmail; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.31.68 with SMTP id l44mr26118176yha.29.1408634337619; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22f.google.com (mail-vc0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vm5si157161vdb.1.2014.08.21.08.18.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22f; Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ik5so10803723vcb.20 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.160.10 with SMTP id xg10mr3721659vdb.1.1408634337488; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.148.144 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 08:18:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <07008b35-da3c-4e9e-878e-c7e47d360afc@googlegroups.com> <4087384.lFph0mqEze@caracal> From: ".arpis." Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:18:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Oral conversation To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cb7b64df5730501253d94 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e013cb7b64df5730501253d94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 {ba'a nai ju'o ru'e} Robin speaks to his two daughters at least partially in lojban, and they speak back. As for clarity of vowels, I try to think of the vowel pronunciations in *any* language other than English, which I feel has the worst examples for vowel pronunciation if you're looking to speak lojban. I think Italian, Spanish, or Japanese vowel pronunciation is the best for me to model after. One of the other things I know I need to pay attention to (as an English speaker) is *not* accidentally saying {ou} when I should be saying {o} in lojban at ends of words. On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > > 2014-08-21 18:03 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > > >> >> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:56:17 AM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, August 21, 2014 05:42:26 TR NS wrote: >>> > Does any one have *oral* conversations in Lojban? More than a few >>> sentence? >>> >>> There are several Lojbanists in the Bay Area, and there's a Skype group. >>> I >>> think Arc Balandin is in charge of the Skype group. How much oral Lojban >>> actually happens, I don't know. I'm willing to talk Lojban on Skype, but >>> today >>> I'm going back home. >>> >> >> Actually, I was just wondering b/c I was reading about attitudinals and >> having a hard time imagining there is enough phonological "space" to be >> very clear when speaking, e.g. mishearing .u'o as u'u takes one from >> courage to repentance. That's a big difference in meaning for such a small >> phonological shift. I wonder about this with much of the language, but it >> stands out here in particular. >> > > You can put the stress on {o} in {.u'o} but you must put a pause after > {.u'o} so it will all be {.u'O.} This makes recognition easier. > >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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{ba'a nai ju'o ru'e} Robin speaks to his = two daughters at least partially in lojban, and they speak back.

As for clarity of vowels, I try to think of the vowel pronunciations in = any language other than English, which I feel has the worst examples= for vowel pronunciation if you're looking to speak lojban. I think Ita= lian, Spanish, or Japanese vowel pronunciation is the best for me to model = after.

One of the other things I know I need to pay attention to (as an Englis= h speaker) is not accidentally saying {ou} when I should be saying {= o} in lojban at ends of words.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna= <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-21 18:03 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:



On Thursday, A= ugust 21, 2014 8:56:17 AM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 05:42:26 TR NS wrote:
> Does any one have *oral* conversations in Lojban? =C2=A0More than = a few sentence?

There are several Lojbanists in the Bay Area, and there's a Skype g= roup. I=20
think Arc Balandin is in charge of the Skype group. How much oral Lojba= n=20
actually happens, I don't know. I'm willing to talk Lojban on S= kype, but today=20
I'm going back home.

Actually, I was just wondering b= /c I was reading about attitudinals and having a hard time imagining there = is enough phonological "space" to be very clear when speaking, e.= g. mishearing .u'o as u'u takes one from courage to repentance. Tha= t's a big difference in meaning for such a small phonological shift. I = wonder about this with much of the language, but it stands out here in part= icular.

You can put the stress on {o} = in {.u'o} but you must put a pause after {.u'o} so it will all be {= .u'O.} This makes recognition easier.


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