Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 03:54:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting
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Thank you, lojbab, for your informative response, and for excavating the 
2003 BPFK report. I'm encouraged to learn that the archives are intact. 
(And I'm still hoping to hear back from you about the original gismu 
evaluation source code!)

I got the impression reading lojbab's responses to the outline of 
proposals, that the documentation of LLG, as implemented in publications 
such as the 2002 baseline statement, has fallen behind the policies that 
are actually in practice. This comes up, for example, in his description of 
the expanded de facto authority of BPFK and the "dictatorial" powers of the 
BPFK jatna, and in the notion that the 1997 declaration of the completeness 
of lojban's design might still be officially valid.

Each of these policies seems to diverge from what was described in the 2002 
baseline statement. Minutes of subsequent proceedings offer little in the 
way of explanation -- although, to be thorough, there is no record of the 
2008 or 2010 annual meetings of the membership, nor any regular public 
record of Board decisions since 2002.

At the 2013 meeting, lojbab asked for members to consider the future of LLG 
at a time when he is not able to play as active a role as he does today. 
Here's a concrete example of something that should be done: Policies of 
record that depart from either practice or intention should be brought up 
to date so that the organization is less dependent on his particular 
knowledge of institutional history and on his powers of interpretation.

In my last message, I proposed measures for increasing transparency of LLG, 
clarifying its commitments, and removing the obstacles to officially 
documenting contemporary lojban. I'd like to add another goal: Bringing 
official policy up to date with practice and the intentions of the 
community.

To these ends, I'd like to work with others, particularly LLG members or 
prospective members, on continuing the development of actionable proposals 
to be presented for consideration at the 2014 annual meeting.

.i mi ckire do lo nu jundi .i .a'o ma'a ca'o casnu

mi'e la mukti mu'o

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<p class=3D"p1">Thank you, lojbab, for your informative response, and for e=
xcavating the 2003 BPFK report. I'm encouraged to learn that the archives a=
re intact. (And I'm still hoping to hear back from you about the original g=
ismu evaluation source code!)</p>
<p class=3D"p1">I got the impression reading lojbab's responses to the outl=
ine of proposals, that the documentation of LLG, as implemented in publicat=
ions such as the 2002 baseline statement, has fallen behind the policies th=
at are actually in practice. This comes up, for example, in his description=
 of the expanded de facto authority of BPFK and the "dictatorial" powers of=
 the BPFK jatna, and in the notion that the 1997 declaration of the complet=
eness of lojban's design might still be officially valid.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">Each of these policies seems to diverge from what was descr=
ibed in the 2002 baseline statement. Minutes of subsequent proceedings offe=
r little in the way of explanation -- although, to be thorough, there is no=
 record of the 2008 or 2010 annual meetings of the membership, nor any regu=
lar public record of Board decisions since 2002.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">At the 2013 meeting, lojbab asked for members to consider t=
he future of LLG at a time when he is not able to play as active a role as =
he does today. Here's a concrete example of something that should be done: =
Policies of record that depart from either practice or intention should be =
brought up to date so that the organization is less dependent on his partic=
ular knowledge of institutional history and on his powers of interpretation=
.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">In my last message, I proposed measures for increasing tran=
sparency of LLG, clarifying its commitments, and removing the obstacles to =
officially documenting contemporary lojban. I'd like to add another goal: B=
ringing official policy up to date with practice and the intentions of the =
community.</p>
<p class=3D"p1">To these ends, I'd like to work with others, particularly L=
LG members or prospective members, on continuing the development of actiona=
ble proposals to be presented for consideration at the 2014 annual meeting.=
</p>
<p class=3D"p1">.i mi ckire do lo nu jundi .i .a'o ma'a ca'o casnu</p>
<p class=3D"p2">mi'e la mukti mu'o</p></div>

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