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Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting
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2014-08-22 22:48 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:

> On 8/22/2014 12:47 PM, selpa'i wrote:
>
>> In the 2003 annual meeting there was a movement to make Lojban the
>> language used during LLG meetings. It failed, but maybe something
>> similar could be considered again. Perhaps a certain percentage of the
>> discussions should be in Lojban, if 100% is not feasible yet. A "Lojban
>> Quota" so to speak. Opinions?
>>
>> mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
>>
>
> A couple years ago, I started the meeting with a Lojban sentence, and was
> basically told that people no longer wanted to do this.
>
> The original idea was when we were holding meetings on IRC, and the plan
> was to have people on a back channel translating and explaining things in
> real time.  the actual meeting would be in Lojban, but the process of
> getting things into Lojban would have been greatly assisted, for those with
> insufficient real time skill.
>
> That type of language learning, where a group of learners is attempting to
> communicate in-language, each assisted by a coach that would help them find
> the words and modes of expression they need, has been used to achieve rapid
> fluency in other languages, but it is very intense, and hence hard to
> imagine working over the several weeks of the current meetings.
>
> I'd love to see it tried sometime on IRC to have a large group discussion
> with coaching.
>

If we are talking about the LLG meetings in a mailing list then using
Lojban and only Lojban is a *must*. Is this a huge problem for anyone of
using Lojban? If yes then may be this person should go to lojban-beginners
or lojban mailing list first?
So I suggest using only Lojban for any official documents.
I also suggest translating existing documents into a code with members of
the LLG (or at least by le jatna) signing them as official ones.

Official documents initially written in Lojban can be translated to English
later.

The only exclusion can be done when explaining the translation of
particular features of Lojban grammar in other languages but this is more
about teaching Lojban or about comparative linguistics.


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014-08-22 22:48 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.org</=
a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On 8/22/2014 12:47 PM, selpa=
&#39;i wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In the 2003 annual meeting there was a movement to make Lojban the<br>
language used during LLG meetings. It failed, but maybe something<br>
similar could be considered again. Perhaps a certain percentage of the<br>
discussions should be in Lojban, if 100% is not feasible yet. A &quot;Lojba=
n<br>
Quota&quot; so to speak. Opinions?<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i mu&#39;o<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
A couple years ago, I started the meeting with a Lojban sentence, and was b=
asically told that people no longer wanted to do this.<br>
<br>
The original idea was when we were holding meetings on IRC, and the plan wa=
s to have people on a back channel translating and explaining things in rea=
l time.=C2=A0 the actual meeting would be in Lojban, but the process of get=
ting things into Lojban would have been greatly assisted, for those with in=
sufficient real time skill.<br>

<br>
That type of language learning, where a group of learners is attempting to =
communicate in-language, each assisted by a coach that would help them find=
 the words and modes of expression they need, has been used to achieve rapi=
d fluency in other languages, but it is very intense, and hence hard to ima=
gine working over the several weeks of the current meetings.<br>

<br>
I&#39;d love to see it tried sometime on IRC to have a large group discussi=
on with coaching.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we are talking abo=
ut the LLG meetings in a mailing list then using Lojban and only Lojban is =
a <b>must</b>. Is this a huge problem for anyone of using Lojban? If yes th=
en may be this person should go to lojban-beginners or lojban mailing list =
first?</div>
<div>So I suggest using only Lojban for any official documents.</div><div>I=
 also suggest translating existing documents into a code with members of th=
e LLG (or at least by le jatna) signing them as official ones.</div><div>
<br></div><div>Official documents initially written in Lojban can be transl=
ated to English later.</div><div><br></div><div>The only exclusion can be d=
one when explaining the translation of particular features of Lojban gramma=
r in other languages but this is more about teaching Lojban or about compar=
ative linguistics.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
<br>
lojbab<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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