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Robert LeChevalier, On 22/08/2014 19:48:
> On 8/22/2014 12:47 PM, selpa'i wrote:
>> In the 2003 annual meeting there was a movement to make Lojban the
>> language used during LLG meetings. It failed, but maybe something
>> similar could be considered again. Perhaps a certain percentage of the
>> discussions should be in Lojban, if 100% is not feasible yet. A "Lojban
>> Quota" so to speak. Opinions?

It would be an impediment to getting the work of the LLG done. It would mak=
e participation more onerous or impossible, for those with inadequate knowl=
edge of grammar or lexis. (For me, now, it would be too onerous.) It would =
make communication less effectual, with people less sure what others meant;=
 though things may have improved nowadays, it was my experience, 10--20 yea=
rs ago I found that allegedly fluent speakers tended both to unwittingly pr=
oduce sentences that did not mean was the speaker wanted to say (-- xorlo w=
ill have fixed some of this) and be unable to understand grammatical text t=
hat did not conform to prevailing stylistic norms.
 =20
> A couple years ago, I started the meeting with a Lojban sentence, and
> was basically told that people no longer wanted to do this.

I haven't been able to recall these messages or find them in my archive.

I did, tho, find a pertinent message from Robin:
Robin Lee Powell, On 12/10/2011 20:32:
> As a general comment, I wish to point out that I've made a habit of
> *discouraging* people from joining the LLG.
>
> The LLG is a *business* organization.  It is the money-collecting
> and money-spending arm of the Lojban community.  It is *not* the
> language management arm of the Lojban community (that's a mixture of
> the BPFK, me, and public opinion, and is all very fuzzy).  It
> *certainly* is not the "getting things done" arm of the Lojban
> community; historically, having a project recognized by the LLG
> before it was actually completed has been an almost perfect
> assurance that that project would never get completed.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the only function of the LLG membership
> should be to elect the board and provide oversight for the board's
> decisions, and as a fallback voting body should the board want to do
> something obviously outside of normal monetary behaviour.
>
> Everything else is better handled in other venues.
>
> As such, the membership should be small and focused on those ends.
>
> Furthermore, I don't much care what language we have the meetings
> in; money is money.
>
> Those of you who have been around for a while may notice that this
> is a huge reversal of things I've said in the past.  The stance I've
> just presented exactly matches what Bob used to say back in the day,
> when he was doing all the work.  I've also been the one doing all
> the work for the past several years.  There *is* a connection there.

The main requirement for LLG membership is (for the time being, at least) g=
oodwill towards Lojban and the LLG, and a commitment to be present at the a=
nnual meetings.

--And.

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