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Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting
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2014-08-23 17:43 GMT+04:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <
lojbab@lojban.org>:

> On 8/23/2014 9:14 AM, And Rosta wrote:
>
>> Robert LeChevalier, On 22/08/2014 19:48:
>>
>>> On 8/22/2014 12:47 PM, selpa'i wrote:
>>>
>>>  In the 2003 annual meeting there was a movement to make Lojban the
>>>> language used during LLG meetings. It failed, but maybe something
>>>> similar could be considered again. Perhaps a certain percentage of the
>>>> discussions should be in Lojban, if 100% is not feasible yet. A "Lojban
>>>> Quota" so to speak. Opinions?
>>>>
>>>
>> It would be an impediment to getting the work of the LLG done. It would
>> make participation more onerous or impossible, for those with inadequate
>> knowledge of grammar or lexis. (For me, now, it would be too onerous.)
>> It would make communication less effectual, with people less sure what
>> others meant; though things may have improved nowadays, it was my
>> experience, 10--20 years ago I found that allegedly fluent speakers
>> tended both to unwittingly produce sentences that did not mean was the
>> speaker wanted to say (-- xorlo will have fixed some of this) and be
>> unable to understand grammatical text that did not conform to prevailing
>> stylistic norms.
>>
>
> Probably all true.  It would be interesting to see if anyone could produce
> quasi-live translation of a meeting into Lojban, even at email speeds, but
> we would have to have some non-trivial meeting content to make the test
> useful.
>

I'm ready to make translations *from* Lojban so that future newbies could
easily read logs of those meetings before they are fluent speakers.

As for translations to Lojban this is usually tiresome (as with any
translator's work: the balance of precision, conciseness, beauty of the
resulting text). But indeed may be others will be able to help me.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014-08-23 17:43 GMT+04:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -=
 LLG <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_=
blank">lojbab@lojban.org</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On 8/23/2014 9:14 AM, And Ro=
sta wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">
Robert LeChevalier, On 22/08/2014 19:48:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 8/22/2014 12:47 PM, selpa&#39;i wrote:<div class=3D""><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In the 2003 annual meeting there was a movement to make Lojban the<br>
language used during LLG meetings. It failed, but maybe something<br>
similar could be considered again. Perhaps a certain percentage of the<br>
discussions should be in Lojban, if 100% is not feasible yet. A &quot;Lojba=
n<br>
Quota&quot; so to speak. Opinions?<br>
</blockquote></div></blockquote>
<br><div class=3D"">
It would be an impediment to getting the work of the LLG done. It would<br>
make participation more onerous or impossible, for those with inadequate<br=
>
knowledge of grammar or lexis. (For me, now, it would be too onerous.)<br>
It would make communication less effectual, with people less sure what<br>
others meant; though things may have improved nowadays, it was my<br>
experience, 10--20 years ago I found that allegedly fluent speakers<br>
tended both to unwittingly produce sentences that did not mean was the<br>
speaker wanted to say (-- xorlo will have fixed some of this) and be<br>
unable to understand grammatical text that did not conform to prevailing<br=
>
stylistic norms.<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
Probably all true.=C2=A0 It would be interesting to see if anyone could pro=
duce quasi-live translation of a meeting into Lojban, even at email speeds,=
 but we would have to have some non-trivial meeting content to make the tes=
t useful.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m ready to make translations *from* =
Lojban so that future newbies could easily read logs of those meetings befo=
re they are fluent speakers.</div><div><br></div><div>As for translations t=
o Lojban this is usually tiresome (as with any translator&#39;s work: the b=
alance of precision, conciseness, beauty of the resulting text). But indeed=
 may be others will be able to help me.<br>
</div></div></div></div>

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