Received: from mail-oa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.219.57]:50510) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XLCs3-00008b-M4 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:49 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id o6sf2661683oag.22 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5ekljKr1wHNEl0oD2WEHiGdWlCpqulXG0wOuQMOyYw0=; b=wgyPDmIr3Aw3FltPG78j0zF8/eBninb3kmU6L07/jUKKg9UZJC9IjE979M11BR3u1D I8Ll2Fq3iRp/fRAobgdBFlXTdQI3ftXmtJli12RsACphqzcQt7i3bEMo83W4cnj+Qf5c MUIKtAaxCe69ul3N9vt9wbFaFvrd0XDrdmw5/1dx8BbW4KA+/WVahzg6IlE561NOpTzz dbxvBQ8XOd7ei2pwURPgtdMOBLcWNNyA1dzIUqWJjZYrrkdOcryduCX3y60sYgb5kEfF ddKFstB7wE7znNPCOt/pkuwYLmarYszP5lFJ5N4845PbFZNQrIbYj3bZc/aHqoDaznw/ qCYg== X-Received: by 10.50.57.113 with SMTP id h17mr243368igq.0.1408806281106; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.17.71 with SMTP id m7ls487598igd.5.gmail; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.16.69 with SMTP id o5mr10947766ica.17.1408806280602; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22d.google.com (mail-oi0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h10si444519igq.1.2014.08.23.08.04.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d; Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id e131so8621595oig.32 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.121.67 with SMTP id li3mr9230187oeb.17.1408806280283; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.33.130 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.33.130 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:04:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <53F79061.5000706@lojban.org> <53F7D98A.5020101@lojban.org> <53F893AE.8030901@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:04:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3a9778e4cd8d05014d4575 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b3a9778e4cd8d05014d4575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are some old members who used to be capable of at least basic communication in Lojban in real time, but haven't kept up. I think Matt Arnold can probably still speak the language reasonably well, though I haven't communicated with him in it in a long time; Mark Shoulson and And Rosta certainly used to be good at it, also. I include myself in that category as well; while I was never fluent, I used to be a far better speaker if Lojban than I am today. Any time I offer to withdraw from the membership, on the grounds that I feel the LLG's business should be primarily responsive to the needs of active users of the language, I'm encouraged to stay, because it is felt that there's value in a larger proportion of members who take active part in the meetings; I reliably vote based on my perception of what serves the interest of those soaking Lojban more regularly than myself, and I have recently been urging a few such people who seem concerned with the future of our community to request membership. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. On Aug 23, 2014 10:44 AM, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > > 2014-08-23 18:18 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Robert LeChevalier >> wrote: >> >>> On 8/23/2014 12:33 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> This all looks strange. It sound like all members say "Yeah, I suppor= t >>>> Lojban but I'm not going to learn it". >>>> >>> >>> Yep. >>> >> >> I don't think the "all members" part is correct. Looking at the list of >> members http://www.lojban.org/tiki/LLG+Members (which seems eerily up to >> date) I would say perhaps a little bit less than half of the members. >> > > > I can confirm only la .pier., la .camgusmis., la .xorxes.. As for the > others I simply never seen long (more than one utterance) conversations > with them in real time. > Ofc. I monitored only communication via internet, not IRL. > Outside IRC and LLG personally I also communicated with la gejyspa in > private chats. > > That's all I can confirm. > > >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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There are some old members who used to be capable of at leas= t basic communication in Lojban in real time, but haven't kept up. I th= ink Matt Arnold can probably still speak the language reasonably well, thou= gh I haven't communicated with him in it in a long time; Mark Shoulson = and And Rosta certainly used to be good at it, also.

I include myself in that category as well; while I was never= fluent, I used to be a far better speaker if Lojban than I am today. Any t= ime I offer to withdraw from the membership, on the grounds that I feel the= LLG's business should be primarily responsive to the needs of active u= sers of the language, I'm encouraged to stay, because it is felt that t= here's value in a larger proportion of members who take active part in = the meetings; I reliably vote based on my perception of what serves the int= erest of those soaking Lojban more regularly than myself, and I have recent= ly been urging a few such people who seem concerned with the future of our = community to request membership.

- mi'e .kreig.daniyl.

On Aug 23, 2014 10:44 AM, "Gleki Arxokuna&q= uot; <gleki.is.my.name@gma= il.com> wrote:



2014-08-23 18:18 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas &l= t;jjllambias@gmai= l.com>:



On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:14 A= M, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 8/23/2014 12:33 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrot= e:

This all looks strange. It sound like all members say "Yeah, I support=
Lojban but I'm not going to learn it".

Yep.

I don't think the "= all members" part is correct. Looking at the list of members http://www.lo= jban.org/tiki/LLG+Members (which seems eerily up to date) I would say p= erhaps a little bit less than half of the members.


I can con= firm only la .pier., la .camgusmis., la .xorxes.. As for the others I simpl= y never seen long (more than one utterance) conversations with them in real= time.
Ofc. I monitored only communication via internet, not IRL.
O= utside IRC and LLG personally I also communicated with la gejyspa in privat= e chats.

That's all I can confirm.

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mu'o mi'e xorxes

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