Received: from mail-wi0-f191.google.com ([209.85.212.191]:40276) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XLYxj-0001KS-Dv for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:40:07 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f191.google.com with SMTP id hi2sf139220wib.28 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:40:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V51rjFYn1YQjs18dhhdPDm9gMKUKTcJH1lNskH5m4eU=; b=HoqdFp6UpFV2v3uKdhJHJPNLtCqMBmBBZvSSEjm6RumPH5wl0MH3+afY+KqNP6gup3 bYsD38yjqls0EagUm65IAwm2uqWoE0IDfMWgnUMRnyQRLamN816+j6iex0MJfcyG97/q +/bOgotZKKL/aZ7MsAurcoTi6ErXRV0nejcRguyOZ9+V+1iRAOyC9R+yx4ssBWgcbxS9 fEyE4qCr/EQcpy99YKqCnqGTtmedwd6bVF5ltS1slpWZomQOEXjSjMr9GJOcQBNdV+Tu xkKdSOlcq6PPib2WHK7EjtzQKaG2/NI1iNDB8C0NEe7kG1se79AhASQ77ya+toF6MDwR v/9w== X-Received: by 10.180.210.237 with SMTP id mx13mr36412wic.2.1408891200380; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.87.69 with SMTP id v5ls172844wiz.7.gmail; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.81.226 with SMTP id d2mr766547wiy.5.1408891199841; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22c.google.com (mail-we0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ef7si239019wic.1.2014.08.24.07.39.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c; Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id x48so12306609wes.17 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.110.135 with SMTP id ia7mr119567wjb.128.1408891199714; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:39:59 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf10a847c7b4b0501610b72 X-Spam-Note: SpamAssassin invocation failed --047d7bf10a847c7b4b0501610b72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism >> > > "However, they are there from the gismu creation process to provide > mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of > the English (pronounced languedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as > easily without the chinese "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire > second syllable?" > > I can't really take this explanation seriously. I personally think this > one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by statistically mixing the > letters of words from other languages just ends up creating words that on > the whole no one recognizes. > .ie However, what are the alternatives? > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bf10a847c7b4b0501610b72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:
On Sunday, August 24, 2014 = 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

"However, they are= there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How = quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of the English (pronounced la= nguedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as easily without the chinese = "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire second syllable?"= ;

I can't really take this explanation seriously. I p= ersonally think this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by stati= stically mixing the letters of words from other languages just ends up crea= ting words that on the whole no one recognizes.=C2=A0

.ie
However, what are the = alternatives?=C2=A0

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