Received: from mail-ig0-f184.google.com ([209.85.213.184]:47617) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XLaYZ-00020H-Vy for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:17 -0700 Received: by mail-ig0-f184.google.com with SMTP id uq10sf473226igb.21 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iqn0VSynIZCWWHxzfJlSlRK1trXfY2IFj07uJL8paK8=; b=sctUffUdnEut5+6nDqkPvwYcKw86tE3Y9Rch+S4ypp2PUWFfV0penjpmq4ztG4mZ0U JhnzuH8n6qnOMwUlGOybBybcYPgZ+Xnp3YCyTSuoWTlVVDgkNsbW7hyEMSLPTH71PQIF elQy8b/OaSGBflYl5Qwu/58V8aZiNMoy5SoKiY5FoLKpFDfigdmXsk3es33OLFK26n9J nZCslFCVOm8bfPB7lZN7XO20jF3wOl20jqy5gpaIrf/zb++wOAbxvDccBwH/r0MIJnNF EEVHJ5VSP0lp4Ul2v4TVlhzAlUta1eYgi9y4l9yOLOjhJJN5czaBE8EFK5XQSZ1mBAZO /spQ== X-Received: by 10.50.66.147 with SMTP id f19mr172296igt.16.1408897330053; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.50.211 with SMTP id e19ls871123igo.25.canary; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.157.41 with SMTP id wj9mr11247817pab.26.1408897329667; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x235.google.com (mail-qa0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hq8si6649721qcb.2.2014.08.24.09.22.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::235; Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id v10so11506158qac.12 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.46.8 with SMTP id h8mr28015712qaf.6.1408897329471; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 09:21:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:21:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36122d9264005016278a6 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c36122d9264005016278a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 A priori creation is one. It could be much better than what was actually done. stevo On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > > 2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > > On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism >>> >> >> "However, they are there from the gismu creation process to provide >> mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of >> the English (pronounced languedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as >> easily without the chinese "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire >> second syllable?" >> >> I can't really take this explanation seriously. I personally think this >> one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by statistically mixing the >> letters of words from other languages just ends up creating words that on >> the whole no one recognizes. >> > > .ie > However, what are the alternatives? > >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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A priori creation is one. It could be much better than what = was actually done.=C2=A0

stevo


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gle= ki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 = 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

"However, they are= there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How = quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of the English (pronounced la= nguedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as easily without the chinese = "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire second syllable?"= ;

I can't really take this explanation seriously. I p= ersonally think this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by stati= stically mixing the letters of words from other languages just ends up crea= ting words that on the whole no one recognizes.=C2=A0

.ie
However, what ar= e the alternatives?=C2=A0

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