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[216.109.114.56]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5si681943qcl.0.2014.08.24.11.41.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.109.114.56 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.109.114.56; Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 18:41:19 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.144] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 18:41:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 18:41:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 885138.9763.bm@omp1020.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 45130 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2014 18:41:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YJDFz8gVM1msBDQG9IZSiwLVVsKbNZcboyFUDrui3kY7I3E 8i9g6HnEDO6Vb6s2dyLpJlvlvimQpIzS_YgEEuQp9qN4NY7g_qkrZtFxg6.V mBm0pg.O3LYSJjU3NmrFs2AApTOqhuSNwMrxGQNa2JBlp_Phgrjyn4CFNI.D 1YytliOBg75FZptVHkzyNfHXn107.vR4WuzYpNyLDdpCxAlPSdzx17KtYyiK Qm8K9uBJtrPr_Qf26.DvirmIpVaB27YWA.YFfv6FXMuEiucKCzlO17nTSvrn o.PgFrowE4odM5Xw0pRiS5m3.JBbi.J6PH2KUcgXh395_QiPqT4RkREM.rJo t0DHauVY_PAqWH4i3nS6VAED1x37o6OK0a0278NKpJ1lzBHkKUTCNQsuzm1F MRjQuygbdoViidfWE_JmzB2tp0cYYq7E7B69dK9ZgNjbCl9nNMCzd9NryDyg 1cS8m9558.woTa8XIN05WhAoML3..VEEY0njfeoEZna0bM6sV.eMDJRTEH.l uncoO2r17OXHTCOaIE8SfClGoTTABxK.pmY.D1UKWdUL.e3RoeBNfpjHHcdf 4neMwHhOOZHnLwlTe9SElSBC2vNatsrjJPLHVWxSdiGqVOcnx8oSuQMghBhQ .o9TWMBNkyiEfRzk1JQlixyqP_PwyxzzYZyRKUwLCHqed8toL0hlNyAyCa3s wmmDjfxSLRbc0OIlyTZi8rJQ9dqlaBk1_T7TCXVZ8gIYttR3lNN5gywtTbgR 3KpoQj3vp3F5WEY5TRNPzw9DBEbBG54lwb3DS_YlpLebvnTQV Received: from [99.92.109.82] by web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:41:17 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SW4gc3VtbWFyeSwgcGVvcGxlIGFyZSBub3QgYmVjb21pbmcgbWVtYmVycyBvZiBMTGcgbWFpbmx5IGJlY2F1c2UgdGhleSBkb24ndCBjYXJlIGFib3V0IGJlY29taW5nIG1lbWJlcnMuIMKgQW5kIHRoZXkgZG9uJ3QgY2FyZSBhYm91dCBiZWNvbWluZyBtZW1iZXJzIGJlY2F1c2UgTExHIGRvZXNuJ3QgZG8gYW55dGhpbmcgdGhhdCBpbnRlcmVzdHMgbW9zdCBvZiB0aGUgcGVvcGxlIGluIHF1ZXN0aW9uLiDCoExMRyBkb2Vzbid0IHVzZSBMb2piYW4sIGRvZXNuJ3QgY3JlYXRlIHRvb2xzIGZvciB1c2luZyBMb2oBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 References: <53F79061.5000706@lojban.org> <53F7D98A.5020101@lojban.org> <53F893AE.8030901@lojban.org> <53F9FD82.6070306@lojban.org> <5bfc4007-3592-4e0a-bb59-4dfdd07842e1@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1408905677.8124.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:41:17 -0700 From: "'John E Clifford' via lojban" Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: <5bfc4007-3592-4e0a-bb59-4dfdd07842e1@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.109.114.56 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: John E Clifford Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1013620071-912632751-1408905677=:8124" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --1013620071-912632751-1408905677=:8124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In summary, people are not becoming members of LLg mainly because they don'= t care about becoming members. =A0And they don't care about becoming member= s because LLG doesn't do anything that interests most of the people in ques= tion. =A0LLG doesn't use Lojban, doesn't create tools for using Lojban, occ= asionally refers to a set of rules that hinder the development of Lojban (i= n some people's eyes, at least), and seems so set up tht it is not going to= change any of this. =A0Oh, and it keeps bugging people to get to work on p= rojects that most people think are pointless at best and damaging at worst,= rather than doing creative stuff of the applicants' own devisings. =A0 On the whole, these creative Lojbanists would probably be better to continu= e as they are, ignore LLG -- except maybe take over the website (which shou= ld be easy, since no one else seems to care) . =A0It would be nice, however= , if someone would spontaneously choose to update the description of Lojban= to account for all the changes that have actually been made, ignoring the = stuff about baselines and approvals and the like. On Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:46 AM, mukti wrote: =20 Could you remind in two-three sentences of the procedure and requirements o= f applying new members? After researching those questions a few weeks ago, I added this to the wiki= : ( http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Logical+Language+Group#Becoming_a_member ) Becoming a member According to the=A0bylaws, "persons may be named members upon recommendatio= n for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all the mem= bers of the Corporation, in person or by proxy."=A0 The bylaws specify the following qualifications: * competence in fields including linguistics, psychology, philosophy, logi= c, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, education, and h= uman biology * high personal dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language Group a= s specified in the bylaws=A0=A0 At the=A02011 annual meeting,=A0lojbab=A0proposed the following criteria by= which prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the organization = as voting members: 1. Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially one req= uiring coordination with other lojbanists 2. Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web site = maintenance 3. Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as presenting = or teaching the language 4. Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask for me= mbership at a meeting 5. Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member The proposal and approval of new members is one of the items of regular bus= iness at each=A0annual meeting. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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In summary, people are not becoming members of LLg= mainly because they don't care about becoming members.  And they don'= t care about becoming members because LLG doesn't do anything that interest= s most of the people in question.  LLG doesn't use Lojban, doesn't cre= ate tools for using Lojban, occasionally refers to a set of rules that hind= er the development of Lojban (in some people's eyes, at least), and seems s= o set up tht it is not going to change any of this.  Oh, and it keeps = bugging people to get to work on projects that most people think are pointl= ess at best and damaging at worst, rather than doing creative stuff of the = applicants' own devisings.  
On the whole, these creative Lojbanists woul= d probably be better to continue as they are, ignore LLG -- except maybe ta= ke over the website (which should be easy, since no one else seems to care)= .  It would be nice, however, if someone would spontaneously choose t= o update the description of Lojban to account for all the changes that have= actually been made, ignoring the stuff about baselines and approvals and t= he like.


On Sunday, August 24, 2014 = 11:46 AM, mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:


=
Could you remind in two-three= sentences of the procedure and requirements of applying new members?
=

After res= earching those questions a few weeks ago, I added this to the wiki:
( http://www.= lojban.org/tiki/The+Logical+Language+Group#Becoming_a_member )

Becoming a member

=

According to the = ;bylaws, "persons may be named members upon recom= mendation for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all= the members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy." 

The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
  • competence in fields including= linguistics, psychology, philosophy, logic, mathematics, computer science,= anthropology, sociology, education, and human biology
  • high personal dedication t= o the purposes of The Logical Language Group as specified in the bylaws  
  1. Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially one= requiring coordination with other lojbanists
  2. Assumption of respons= ibility for non-language chores, such as web site maintenance
  3. Activ= ity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as presenting or teachi= ng the language
  4. Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the init= iative to ask for membership at a meeting
  5. Participating in a meetin= g as a non-voting member
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