Received: from mail-wi0-f191.google.com ([209.85.212.191]:38124) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XLcnC-00034P-Qk for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:32 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f191.google.com with SMTP id hi2sf157159wib.28 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NmxT+gQxhULJv8iNlwLoQ6nvX14ywyv5u1D1Tj7gnI0=; b=EpsudEPOUGseo6ThOTfLZmyRXjAzX+coIE45989ULRYwDCqusvm6p+IfBPV7ydm3MH Qp9eOQg9lFW/UoI3mJY8IKo+DzjMZNnbDIZvtbfPYKpSvgGxl3jRLFqauKqT/RBW5p2x 1uT1Lk5D6lPxQu3MNKLcSpZe9c9xoGvkfp4RagQ5r3HxonXrS65BgfJkqx6aB69SP/c5 0Sv5PxoeP06t7Jj0VRZNAWfHjlao+Er0YF3MAS2fvRVT4j3UNVVXc2/JrAaRta21pHz5 A+1kFG/j+iUT2jDRY/w8yqw+/hI4d/f64tzCTE6mOu89HfVc+op9AoFeDZ+lKNH61aiZ hVmA== X-Received: by 10.180.104.133 with SMTP id ge5mr42101wib.3.1408905923640; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.206.112 with SMTP id ln16ls181372wic.53.gmail; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.82.199 with SMTP id k7mr836987wiy.5.1408905923154; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com (mail-we0-x22a.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hk1si298716wib.2.2014.08.24.11.45.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a; Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w62so12510134wes.15 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.94.161 with SMTP id dd1mr10828503wib.22.1408905923049; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 11:45:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1408905677.8124.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <53F79061.5000706@lojban.org> <53F7D98A.5020101@lojban.org> <53F893AE.8030901@lojban.org> <53F9FD82.6070306@lojban.org> <5bfc4007-3592-4e0a-bb59-4dfdd07842e1@googlegroups.com> <1408905677.8124.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:45:22 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462e9e10bfc405016479ac X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --f46d04462e9e10bfc405016479ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 John, the website social networks the dictionary new tutorials CLL 2.0 translating gimste into other languages are all projects that either were mentioned on "ongoing projects" page or assumed as projects by LLG. Those are important for me as well. 2014-08-24 22:41 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban < lojban@googlegroups.com>: > In summary, people are not becoming members of LLg mainly because they > don't care about becoming members. And they don't care about becoming > members because LLG doesn't do anything that interests most of the people > in question. LLG doesn't use Lojban, doesn't create tools for using > Lojban, occasionally refers to a set of rules that hinder the development > of Lojban (in some people's eyes, at least), and seems so set up tht it is > not going to change any of this. Oh, and it keeps bugging people to get to > work on projects that most people think are pointless at best and damaging > at worst, rather than doing creative stuff of the applicants' own > devisings. > On the whole, these creative Lojbanists would probably be better to > continue as they are, ignore LLG -- except maybe take over the website > (which should be easy, since no one else seems to care) . It would be > nice, however, if someone would spontaneously choose to update the > description of Lojban to account for all the changes that have actually > been made, ignoring the stuff about baselines and approvals and the like. > > > On Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:46 AM, mukti wrote: > > > Could you remind in two-three sentences of the procedure and requirements > of applying new members? > > > After researching those questions a few weeks ago, I added this to the > wiki: > ( http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Logical+Language+Group#Becoming_a_member > ) > > Becoming a member > > According to the bylaws > , > "persons may be named members upon recommendation for membership by any > member and by election by a majority of all the members of the Corporation, > in person or by proxy." > > The bylaws specify the following qualifications: > > - competence in fields including linguistics, psychology, philosophy, > logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, education, > and human biology > - high personal dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language > Group as specified in the bylaws > > At the 2011 annual meeting > , lojbab > proposed the following > criteria by which prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the > organization as voting members: > > 1. Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially one > requiring coordination with other lojbanists > 2. Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web > site maintenance > 3. Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as > presenting or teaching the language > 4. Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask > for membership at a meeting > 5. Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member > > The proposal and approval of new members is one of the items of regular > business at each annual meeting . > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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John,=C2=A0
the website
social networks
the dictionary
new tutorials
CLL 2.0
tr= anslating gimste into other languages

are all proj= ects that either were mentioned on "ongoing projects" page or ass= umed as projects by LLG.
Those are important for me as well.


2014-08-24 22:41 GMT+04:00 'John= E Clifford' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>:=
In summary, people are not becoming members of LLg mainly becaus= e they don't care about becoming members. =C2=A0And they don't care= about becoming members because LLG doesn't do anything that interests = most of the people in question. =C2=A0LLG doesn't use Lojban, doesn'= ;t create tools for using Lojban, occasionally refers to a set of rules tha= t hinder the development of Lojban (in some people's eyes, at least), a= nd seems so set up tht it is not going to change any of this. =C2=A0Oh, and= it keeps bugging people to get to work on projects that most people think = are pointless at best and damaging at worst, rather than doing creative stu= ff of the applicants' own devisings. =C2=A0
On the whole, these cre= ative Lojbanists would probably be better to continue as they are, ignore L= LG -- except maybe take over the website (which should be easy, since no on= e else seems to care) . =C2=A0It would be nice, however, if someone would s= pontaneously choose to update the description of Lojban to account for all = the changes that have actually been made, ignoring the stuff about baseline= s and approvals and the like.


On Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:46 A= M, mukti <shunpik= er@gmail.com> wrote:


Could you remind in two-three sentences of = the procedure and requirements of applying new members?

After researching those= questions a few weeks ago, I added this to the wiki:
<= div>

Becoming a member


According to the=C2=A0bylaws, "persons may be named members upon recommenda= tion for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all the = members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy."=C2=A0

The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
  • competence in fields including linguistics, psyc= hology, philosophy, logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, education, and human biology
  • high personal dedication t= o the purposes of The Logical Language Group as specified in the bylaws=C2=A0=C2=A0
    • At the=C2=A02011 annual meeting,=C2=A0lojbab=C2=A0proposed the following criteria by which= prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the organization as vot= ing members:
    1. Working on a project for an extended period of= time, especially one requiring coordination with other lojbanists
    2. Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web site main= tenance
    3. Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as= presenting or teaching the language
    4. Being familiar with the bylaws= , and taking the initiative to ask for membership at a meeting
    5. Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member
    T= he proposal and approval of new members is one of the items of regular busi= ness at each=C2=A0annual meeting.
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