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[216.39.63.145]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id br10si4006155pdb.2.2014.08.24.15.07.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.145 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.39.63.145; Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 22:07:47 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.254] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 22:07:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2014 22:07:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 802815.29723.bm@omp1025.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3583 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2014 22:07:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BD8d8w8VM1kWBBR61_swe_4OuZcA1AMVUAH7i5FNjP4Z0.y iUVPv3F9hIvRoMf.0ifcI5ZBiD0DfxGvwcrnUtStqwV723GRbAYeA3qbnvq2 K7eMXkGdwZZuLwHJn9jRp9T12dHkd3AjW_hEluEc_CkuqsfhL7wqhfDX7fjL nvfD_76oSpnKAG7BTR.2z1vLefbpBbMMSSfp20.XP5u6DpE8qwdQvlk_l6rG YektwlOtXQ2W4X1Yn4MS70hg6VNswZQNibA5NMKA487GLoD1_NzGZJ2Bz4bA FWxFe7pGWJTZEbIG5aHTMYNHABL43e7f3kCc8W4bbkbmG4cE238NlZOuQtjP PslhWEwvAFtrDGgXFUz4XHJfbL00DOWh1LMf3Kr1QX.VRXH_TRVz5AbS2V.k vnEA_8YJ2jr7VEnwKN4S3WWzYj3qezXzpzA9bL2xoS.WH1xvhhR.i1XDOUhY KlaTvbaGYXN2oqbQ1itDapP7LeDqDlItXlLSF4BHe6FVz6fzHkklUrIdz7si poJyq2rDC8zRVFglQyOhn19LVn4i.s9yMd.tg5aHkLsKtwbT0piGNWGTSq_2 p7fqaQV20cYImeN6PES7kj4RD.57ORfJU8Tt9NYRPZ02GzcWWgQqIZjHDpYW vEaMpHofpakRq2VrfUgp7BpWi.VBJA1bHPTCVzo.HBYCx.fGcgWTJ_PUW8Pq ax9EvXJFMrSfJhNIgDMmBkyjE51.avG03f64oGhgovCS_SdQnZHDGJqJerGe Y2NRL9Vkn.GwJnCgbaASw62QfZulLw94CLmd9R2c.hF_eFKyD Received: from [99.92.109.82] by web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:07:46 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,T2YgY291cnNlLCBidXQgKHRoZSBzdG9yeSBnb2VzKSBMTEcgZG9lcyBub3RoaW5nIHRvIGdldCB0aGVtIGRvbmUgYnV0IG5hdHRlci4KCgpPbiBTdW5kYXksIEF1Z3VzdCAyNCwgMjAxNCAxOjQ1IFBNLCBHbGVraSBBcnhva3VuYSA8Z2xla2kuaXMubXkubmFtZUBnbWFpbC5jb20.IHdyb3RlOgogCgoKSm9obizCoAp0aGUgd2Vic2l0ZQpzb2NpYWwgbmV0d29ya3MKdGhlIGRpY3Rpb25hcnkKbmV3IHR1dG9yaWFscwpDTEwgMi4wCnRyYW5zbGF0aW5nIGdpbXN0ZSBpbnRvIG90aGVyIGxhbmd1YWdlcwoKYXJlIGEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.201.700 References: <53F79061.5000706@lojban.org> <53F7D98A.5020101@lojban.org> <53F893AE.8030901@lojban.org> <53F9FD82.6070306@lojban.org> <5bfc4007-3592-4e0a-bb59-4dfdd07842e1@googlegroups.com> <1408905677.8124.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1408918066.47611.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:07:46 -0700 From: "'John E Clifford' via lojban" Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.145 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: John E Clifford Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1013620071-1080635911-1408918066=:47611" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --1013620071-1080635911-1408918066=:47611 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course, but (the story goes) LLG does nothing to get them done but natte= r. On Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:45 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: =20 John,=A0 the website social networks the dictionary new tutorials CLL 2.0 translating gimste into other languages are all projects that either were mentioned on "ongoing projects" page or a= ssumed as projects by LLG. Those are important for me as well. 2014-08-24 22:41 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban : In summary, people are not becoming members of LLg mainly because they don'= t care about becoming members. =A0And they don't care about becoming member= s because LLG doesn't do anything that interests most of the people in ques= tion. =A0LLG doesn't use Lojban, doesn't create tools for using Lojban, occ= asionally refers to a set of rules that hinder the development of Lojban (i= n some people's eyes, at least), and seems so set up tht it is not going to= change any of this. =A0Oh, and it keeps bugging people to get to work on p= rojects that most people think are pointless at best and damaging at worst,= rather than doing creative stuff of the applicants' own devisings. =A0 >On the whole, these creative Lojbanists would probably be better to contin= ue as they are, ignore LLG -- except maybe take over the website (which sho= uld be easy, since no one else seems to care) . =A0It would be nice, howeve= r, if someone would spontaneously choose to update the description of Lojba= n to account for all the changes that have actually been made, ignoring the= stuff about baselines and approvals and the like. > > > >On Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:46 AM, mukti wrote: >=20 > > >Could you remind in two-three sentences of the procedure and requirements = of applying new members? > > >After researching those questions a few weeks ago, I added this to the wik= i: >( http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Logical+Language+Group#Becoming_a_member = ) > > >Becoming a member > > >According to the=A0bylaws, "persons may be named members upon recommendati= on for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all the me= mbers of the Corporation, in person or by proxy."=A0 > >The bylaws specify the following qualifications: > * competence in fields including linguistics, psychology, philosophy, log= ic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, education, and = human biology > * high personal dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language Group = as specified in the bylaws=A0=A0 >At the=A02011 annual meeting,=A0lojbab=A0proposed the following criteria b= y which prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the organization= as voting members: > 1. Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially one re= quiring coordination with other lojbanists > 2. Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web site= maintenance > 3. Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as presenting= or teaching the language > 4. Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask for m= embership at a meeting > 5. Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member >The proposal and approval of new members is one of the items of regular bu= siness at each=A0annual meeting. >--=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups = "lojban" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an = email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > >--=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups = "lojban" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an = email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Of course, but (the story goes) LLG does nothing t= o get them done but natter.

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On Sund= ay, August 24, 2014 1:45 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:


John, 
the website
social networks
the dictionary
new tutorials
CLL 2.0
translating gimste into other languages

are all projects that either were mentioned on "ongoin= g projects" page or assumed as projects by LLG.
Those are important for me as well.


2014-08-24 22:41 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban= <lojban@googlegroups.com>:
In summary, people are not becoming members of LLg mainly becaus= e they don't care about becoming members.  And they don't care about b= ecoming members because LLG doesn't do anything that interests most of the = people in question.  LLG doesn't use Lojban, doesn't create tools for = using Lojban, occasionally refers to a set of rules that hinder the develop= ment of Lojban (in some people's eyes, at least), and seems so set up tht i= t is not going to change any of this.  Oh, and it keeps bugging people= to get to work on projects that most people think are pointless at best an= d damaging at worst, rather than doing creative stuff of the applicants' ow= n devisings.  
On the whole, these cr= eative Lojbanists would probably be better to continue as they are, ignore = LLG -- except maybe take over the website (which should be easy, since no o= ne else seems to care) .  It would be nice, however, if someone would = spontaneously choose to update the description of Lojban to account for all= the changes that have actually been made, ignoring the stuff about baselin= es and approvals and the like.


On Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:46 A= M, mukti <shunpiker@g= mail.com> wrote:


Could you remind in two-three sentences of = the procedure and requirements of applying new members?

After researching those= questions a few weeks ago, I added this to the wiki:
<= div>

Becoming = a member


According to the bylaws, "persons may be named members upon recommendation= for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all the memb= ers of the Corporation, in person or by proxy." 

The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
  • competence in fields including lingu= istics, psychology, philosophy, logic, mathematics, computer science, anthr= opology, sociology, education, and human biology
  • high personal dedication t= o the purposes of The Logical Language Group as specified in the bylaws  
    • A= t the 2011 annual meeting, lojbab proposed the following criteria by which prospective = members may be deemed eligible to join the organization as voting members:<= /div>
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    4. Being familiar with the bylaws= , and taking the initiative to ask for membership at a meeting
    5. Part= icipating in a meeting as a non-voting member
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