Received: from mail-pd0-f183.google.com ([209.85.192.183]:61540) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XLw1m-0003Jp-LS for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:54 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f183.google.com with SMTP id r10sf3105820pdi.20 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bXPbifng80nz5VKULODSnCiA5dWOATjJPNp0jVjwOQQ=; b=CpTYAcr13YorZ6oGusjScbXoLEhw9lYevVwHKGZ29wCjkK+TfjLrBwcIr1B6tBMgFV Fo35bquNzxK1tNy1r8fhZ1g8VYF76jMyLN6IW8tm2mtR1DE9kpY1WmxcCrcIXqcsTbOI 3FxNefk6QVtds7eU/wNgDcdRyBJDSj2V9xVWCZiKf+B9ZfO0D1LT1BR7MAgjrKzw8qkr Iqu1JCUS89qB0PiKo2QdyKPk/pLO9A8X13M/xMepI02uZSrpjW2g8x5aAYN4v1BaJi7x 5tJXXk9I44ugnhKQI9kFokxP6CVX1FoSB/4Vdfv59LBZ6uO1X6Glw6bt48tG34fcB0Oh 6YIw== X-Received: by 10.182.250.164 with SMTP id zd4mr18392obc.25.1408979863848; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.128.70 with SMTP id nm6ls765094obb.55.gmail; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.102.34 with SMTP id fl2mr15052606obb.16.1408979863242; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x22f.google.com (mail-qg0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si44753qcm.2.2014.08.25.08.17.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f; Received: by mail-qg0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id i50so13132157qgf.6 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr36714726qaj.63.1408979863051; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 08:17:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c303083ba549050175b0b1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c303083ba549050175b0b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have a relex of Lojban with completely a priori gismu. It has the advantage that every gismu has just one short rafsi and one long rafsi. How do you want me to show it? I'm not going to post them all here, and I don't have a web site to put them on. stevo On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > > > 2014-08-24 20:21 GMT+04:00 MorphemeAddict : > > A priori creation is one. It could be much better than what was actually >> done. >> > > Then show one. > > >> >> stevo >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS : >>> >>> On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism >>>>> >>>> >>>> "However, they are there from the gismu creation process to provide >>>> mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of >>>> the English (pronounced languedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as >>>> easily without the chinese "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire >>>> second syllable?" >>>> >>>> I can't really take this explanation seriously. I personally think this >>>> one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by statistically mixing the >>>> letters of words from other languages just ends up creating words that on >>>> the whole no one recognizes. >>>> >>> >>> .ie >>> However, what are the alternatives? >>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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I have a relex of Lojban with completely a priori gismu. It = has the advantage that every gismu has just one short rafsi and one long ra= fsi.=C2=A0
Ho= w do you want me to show it? I'm not going to post them all here, and I= don't have a web site to put them on.=C2=A0

stevo


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gle= ki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-24 20:21 GMT+04:00 MorphemeA= ddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:

A priori creation is one. It could be much better tha= n what was actually done.=C2=A0

Then show one.
=C2=A0

stevo


On= Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 = 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

"However, they are= there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How = quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of the English (pronounced la= nguedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as easily without the chinese = "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire second syllable?"= ;

I can't really take this explanation seriously. I p= ersonally think this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by stati= stically mixing the letters of words from other languages just ends up crea= ting words that on the whole no one recognizes.=C2=A0

.ie
However, what ar= e the alternatives?=C2=A0

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