Received: from mail-la0-f59.google.com ([209.85.215.59]:33286) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XLwrs-0003if-QY for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:42 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f59.google.com with SMTP id s18sf1431011lam.14 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=DJdmEFjD7huUskonMyTd+LxmAKo9o/wOqxm/2VcaPuc=; b=lQzgWtIcfmlPdL9Z/fN/XPoi+BB07wBZNWA4ySxnoIGwOH7AsDxqmGB5jlTahPCt7c 1Nxt2q48jlIGqiUCXhjGO4CA6TZdo6eXwZ51nYF0mv4OIVExYba9hBggHFsrNwenodCq voR9To6n3ZuUWxSszhN6dpHcRIXlDcfl4KfWcmB8EL0U7uEmnfQvBjRuiSREjkOuAnpJ Q9RdfXSpvuVDtszCLQVdRoZhh06RknhckpfMtELzrzn1hWJ/loCQ/vieHc/xBMcnkECO 9bD1uEPEcjJvDcX++0sp7eRkO2AZ2QcsyU5TEAqT1fvOZ9gyT7QENrbI0386R3hOgnbf 5BOA== X-Received: by 10.180.182.195 with SMTP id eg3mr68690wic.14.1408983093266; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.98.225 with SMTP id el1ls306141wib.29.canary; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.8.1 with SMTP id n1mr744452wia.1.1408983092746; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cj2si47171wid.2.2014.08.25.09.11.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e; Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id m15so13234291wgh.17 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.200.137 with SMTP id js9mr9873834wjc.90.1408983092515; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:11:32 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb70c74b95ab40501767044 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb70c74b95ab40501767044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This is not even related to loglangs. I wish there was an active a priori conlang so that we can see that it can be successful. do klingon and quenya meet your requirement of a priori languages? can a language distant to Chinese and SAE languages be successful? How many people from China and SAE countries (except Latin America itself) are learning Aymara/Quechua these days? 2014-08-25 19:17 GMT+04:00 MorphemeAddict : > I have a relex of Lojban with completely a priori gismu. It has the > advantage that every gismu has just one short rafsi and one long rafsi. > How do you want me to show it? I'm not going to post them all here, and I > don't have a web site to put them on. > > stevo > > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-08-24 20:21 GMT+04:00 MorphemeAddict : >> >> A priori creation is one. It could be much better than what was actually >>> done. >>> >> >> Then show one. >> >> >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS : >>>> >>>> On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "However, they are there from the gismu creation process to provide >>>>> mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of >>>>> the English (pronounced languedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as >>>>> easily without the chinese "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire >>>>> second syllable?" >>>>> >>>>> I can't really take this explanation seriously. I personally think >>>>> this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by statistically mixing >>>>> the letters of words from other languages just ends up creating words that >>>>> on the whole no one recognizes. >>>>> >>>> >>>> .ie >>>> However, what are the alternatives? >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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This is not even related to loglangs. I wish there was an = active a priori conlang so that we can see that it can be successful.
d= o klingon and quenya meet your requirement of a priori languages?
can a language distant to Chinese and SAE languages be successful? How many= people from China and SAE countries (except Latin America itself) are lear= ning Aymara/Quechua these days?


2014-08-25 19:17 GMT+04:00 MorphemeAddict <= lytlesw@gmail.com>:
I have a relex of Lojban with completely a priori gismu. It = has the advantage that every gismu has just one short rafsi and one long ra= fsi.=C2=A0
Ho= w do you want me to show it? I'm not going to post them all here, and I= don't have a web site to put them on.=C2=A0

stevo


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at= 12:32 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-24 20:21 GMT+04:00 MorphemeA= ddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:

A priori creation is one. It could be much better tha= n what was actually done.=C2=A0

Then show one.
=
=C2=A0

stevo


On= Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 = 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

"However, they are= there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How = quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of the English (pronounced la= nguedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as easily without the chinese = "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire second syllable?"= ;

I can't really take this explanation seriously. I p= ersonally think this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by stati= stically mixing the letters of words from other languages just ends up crea= ting words that on the whole no one recognizes.=C2=A0

.ie
However, what ar= e the alternatives?=C2=A0

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