Received: from mail-vc0-f183.google.com ([209.85.220.183]:40120) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XM1Bo-0006Ai-EO for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:32 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f183.google.com with SMTP id id10sf3302095vcb.10 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2yVYpYwDqU8aHfWoXZtj2wtTsHKnPJB18dKyNfn7khI=; b=qRP0+07gNm162vB7yk1qfp2/0FuW87I73eRsIKVHXfV7MseACITddj/sRVNdaSWW8W qaD5IyKvbcGHDsqsnyNApCUalMo8c3yD7MJ5+KhvVi1tcXLTvYfq4KiBU+68Dgo1g+jf c9XVAI79OQGfbYky8LwI9DFri5mEfJa/ULsuuDge6atT+Eab3vXqYxsmWRoZ+SyDRDQS I6JkmGnw7DLBTpklDi5t+x6ageyaB9XyiYVI5YV1XDTRqQppCzn1RLrpT5H6oIc5EXK6 B/uhh2N7XfUoZ6Rw7KAvVYCQ4j7OnV6sdsi5HxzOgGCKfrPXPrRNDpFzfc8xKlCuP2q+ jItA== X-Received: by 10.50.43.196 with SMTP id y4mr423620igl.13.1408999705680; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.20.199 with SMTP id p7ls1613419ige.1.gmail; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.92.104 with SMTP id cl8mr11651518igb.1.1408999705132; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x232.google.com (mail-vc0-x232.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ew8si48604vdb.1.2014.08.25.13.48.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::232; Received: by mail-vc0-x232.google.com with SMTP id la4so16125901vcb.9 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.59.138 with SMTP id l10mr7341230vch.59.1408999704968; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.26.196 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:48:24 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c25182e745a805017a4ea5 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c25182e745a805017a4ea5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > .i la stevo cu cusku di'e > > > I have a relex of Lojban with completely a priori gismu. It has the >> advantage that every gismu has just one short rafsi and one long rafsi. >> > > If such a relex exists, then with it we can eliminate the rafsi/gismu > distinction. > > Let's suppose we drop all the gismu, and keep only their associated rafsi. > For CVC and CCV rafsi, we suffix -no or -mo (for those CVC that end in > 'n'), and we can make the gismu forms, and for the CVV, we can't make true > gismu forms, but we can construct a CV magic word that will bind the > previous cmavo and produce something with the grammar of a selbri. Of > course, that would just be in the "standalone gismu" cases. For lujvo, we > would proceed as normal. > Or you could still produce a true gismu form by infixing for example CVV -> CV-CC-V (you'd need one CC for monosyllabic CVV and a different one for disyllabic ones, and you couldn't use "Cn" or "nm" as the infix so as not to conflict with the CVC and CCV forms). mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c25182e745a805017a4ea5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Jacob Errington = <nictytan@gmail.= com> wrote:

.i la stevo cu cusku di'e


I have a relex of Lojban w= ith completely a priori gismu. It has the advantage that every gismu has ju= st one short rafsi and one long rafsi.

If such a relex exists, then with it we can eliminate the rafsi/gismu d= istinction.

Let's suppose we drop all the gismu, and keep only t= heir associated rafsi. For CVC and CCV rafsi, we suffix -no or -mo (for tho= se CVC that end in 'n'), and we can make the gismu forms, and for t= he CVV, we can't make true gismu forms, but we can construct a CV magic= word that will bind the previous cmavo and produce something with the gram= mar of a selbri. Of course, that would just be in the "standalone gism= u" cases. For lujvo, we would proceed as normal.

Or you could still produ= ce a true gismu form by infixing for example CVV -> CV-CC-V =C2=A0(you&#= 39;d need one CC for monosyllabic CVV and a different one for disyllabic on= es, and you couldn't use "Cn" or "nm" as the infix = so as not to conflict with the CVC and CCV forms).

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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