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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:16:31 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Letter Frequency in lojban
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Vowels are auditorily more distinct than consonants, but are less stable
>> diachronically. Having vowels as the frequentest phones strikes me as an
>> optimal design feature for an engelang.
>>
> I disagree. When people make spelling mistakes it is almost always the
> vowels they get wrong.
>

That may be the case for English speakers, but it's not at all the case in
Spanish. The usual spelling mistakes in Spanish are b/v (they sound exactly
the same, so you just have to know which one is the correct spelling) j/g
and s/z/c (which sound the same for most speakers) and knowing which words
are written with "h" (which is silent). The only case where vowels are
sometimes involved in spelling mistakes is with i/y, but it's much more
rare than the other cases.


> And it is the vowels that tend to drift from dialect to dialect.
>

In English, but not in Spanish. Spanish dialects don't really differ in the
vowels, but they do in some consonants (c/z, s, ch, ll, rr, ...)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D""><blockquote=
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>Vowels are auditorily more distinct than consonants, but=
 are less stable diachronically. Having vowels as the frequentest phones st=
rikes me as an optimal design feature for an engelang.</p></blockquote></di=
v>
<div>I disagree. When people make spelling mistakes it is almost always the=
 vowels they get wrong. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That m=
ay be the case for English speakers, but it&#39;s not at all the case in Sp=
anish. The usual spelling mistakes in Spanish are b/v (they sound exactly t=
he same, so you just have to know which one is the correct spelling) j/g an=
d s/z/c (which sound the same for most speakers) and knowing which words ar=
e written with &quot;h&quot; (which is silent). The only case where vowels =
are sometimes involved in spelling mistakes is with i/y, but it&#39;s much =
more rare than the other cases.</div>
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ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>And i=
t is the vowels that tend to drift from dialect to dialect. </div></div></b=
lockquote>
<div><br></div><div>In English, but not in Spanish. Spanish dialects don=
9;t really differ in the vowels, but they do in some consonants (c/z, s, ch=
, ll, rr, ...)</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><di=
v>
<br></div></div></div></div>

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