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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:33:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Letter Frequency in lojban
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Indeed I think a relevant major feature of Spanish phonology is that
undressed vowels don't reduce; they do in English and Portuguese, where
vowel confusion is nearly the only comin kind of error in spelling I've
encountered.

Lojban, like Spanish and Mandarin but unlike English, doesn't do that.
On Aug 25, 2014 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote=
:

>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Vowels are auditorily more distinct than consonants, but are less stabl=
e
>>> diachronically. Having vowels as the frequentest phones strikes me as a=
n
>>> optimal design feature for an engelang.
>>>
>> I disagree. When people make spelling mistakes it is almost always the
>> vowels they get wrong.
>>
>
> That may be the case for English speakers, but it's not at all the case i=
n
> Spanish. The usual spelling mistakes in Spanish are b/v (they sound exact=
ly
> the same, so you just have to know which one is the correct spelling) j/g
> and s/z/c (which sound the same for most speakers) and knowing which word=
s
> are written with "h" (which is silent). The only case where vowels are
> sometimes involved in spelling mistakes is with i/y, but it's much more
> rare than the other cases.
>
>
>> And it is the vowels that tend to drift from dialect to dialect.
>>
>
> In English, but not in Spanish. Spanish dialects don't really differ in
> the vowels, but they do in some consonants (c/z, s, ch, ll, rr, ...)
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Indeed I think a relevant major feature of Spanish phonology=
 is that undressed vowels don&#39;t reduce; they do in English and Portugue=
se, where vowel confusion is nearly the only comin kind of error in spellin=
g I&#39;ve encountered.</p>

<p dir=3D"ltr">Lojban, like Spanish and Mandarin but unlike English, doesn&=
#39;t do that.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 25, 2014 5:16 PM, &quot;Jorge Llamb=C3=AD=
as&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">

<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>Vowels are auditorily more distinct than consonants, but=
 are less stable diachronically. Having vowels as the frequentest phones st=
rikes me as an optimal design feature for an engelang.</p></blockquote></di=
v>

<div>I disagree. When people make spelling mistakes it is almost always the=
 vowels they get wrong. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That m=
ay be the case for English speakers, but it&#39;s not at all the case in Sp=
anish. The usual spelling mistakes in Spanish are b/v (they sound exactly t=
he same, so you just have to know which one is the correct spelling) j/g an=
d s/z/c (which sound the same for most speakers) and knowing which words ar=
e written with &quot;h&quot; (which is silent). The only case where vowels =
are sometimes involved in spelling mistakes is with i/y, but it&#39;s much =
more rare than the other cases.</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>And i=
t is the vowels that tend to drift from dialect to dialect. </div></div></b=
lockquote>

<div><br></div><div>In English, but not in Spanish. Spanish dialects don=
9;t really differ in the vowels, but they do in some consonants (c/z, s, ch=
, ll, rr, ...)</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><di=
v>

<br></div></div></div></div>

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