Received: from mail-yk0-f191.google.com ([209.85.160.191]:54462) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XM2tq-0006sl-KE for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:38:07 -0700 Received: by mail-yk0-f191.google.com with SMTP id 142sf3242761ykq.28 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:38:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/qrCl4fMXaW4IShTHi9OBuAI7wRasD7LWsFxjG4/kJg=; b=lRuE1JzfYVzqDoCP0yYlI2sj/olkyHqCAJzS/DC/jtv4R1ZqQtyyRQ+KeUg/3uk8s1 kND4zkQXgzrFTjy+kXrsdV2DhUfXxMNPbo3vCChe7zh+3azPhBdbmzmMAzWqrktOfrSg 4d5VxEurCQlgweKZcKjDZ+J600PVwf7xvJh/ntNFF8ZCEOJ2YwIHPb2fn3UU/4lPm5Pk 2okt8n7nBbW1MJiGU/05HMXM/yPjpESS6+Z+VgAdU4AE2CDvUZkgKibGChFBpuF0CJ92 g6Lf2litEKXz8/SyeuuLKW3A0wkKkPWjWXGpQc8drzmo6I8uurNV0q9Lb6i23Bu7qhnv 4hlg== X-Received: by 10.50.154.66 with SMTP id vm2mr438155igb.5.1409006279817; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.122.40 with SMTP id lp8ls1593096igb.4.gmail; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.70.41.230 with SMTP id i6mr15898981pdl.2.1409006279529; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x22c.google.com (mail-qc0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id im3si316044qcb.1.2014.08.25.15.37.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c; Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id i8so14723941qcq.31 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.19.201 with SMTP id 67mr37412227qgh.28.1409006279335; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134f3c6c490a005017bd623 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1134f3c6c490a005017bd623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All my gismu (noglo) are CVCCV, where the initial CV is a semantic classifier and the rest is the unique rafsi. Two examples to illustrate how I form lujvo (nonla). 1) From "brajmadegycalku" (barda jamfu degji calku), 'big toe nail', I get su-njo bi-bla bi-gdo bu-dza => budza-gdo-bla-njo. 2) From "rilpemsa'a" (rilti pemci sanga), 'perform rap music', I get no-bre no-xma pe-jma => pejma-xma-bre. stevo On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > > .i la stevo cu cusku di'e > > > I have a relex of Lojban with completely a priori gismu. It has the >> advantage that every gismu has just one short rafsi and one long rafsi. >> > > If such a relex exists, then with it we can eliminate the rafsi/gismu > distinction. > > Let's suppose we drop all the gismu, and keep only their associated rafsi. > For CVC and CCV rafsi, we suffix -no or -mo (for those CVC that end in > 'n'), and we can make the gismu forms, and for the CVV, we can't make true > gismu forms, but we can construct a CV magic word that will bind the > previous cmavo and produce something with the grammar of a selbri. Of > course, that would just be in the "standalone gismu" cases. For lujvo, we > would proceed as normal. > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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All my gismu (noglo) are CVCCV, where the initial CV is a se= mantic classifier and the rest is the unique rafsi.=C2=A0

Two examples to illustrate how I form lujvo (nonla).

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"> 1) From "brajmadegycalku" (barda jamfu degji calku), 'big toe= nail',=C2=A0
I get su-njo bi-bla bi-gdo bu-dza =3D> budza-gdo-bl= a-njo.=C2=A0
2) From "rilpemsa'a" (rilti pemci sanga), 'perform = rap music',=C2=A0
I = get no-bre no-xma pe-jma =3D> pejma-xma-bre.=C2=A0

stevo



On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gm= ail.com> wrote:

.i la stevo cu cusku di'e


I have a relex of Lojban w= ith completely a priori gismu. It has the advantage that every gismu has ju= st one short rafsi and one long rafsi.

If such a relex exists, then with it we can eliminate the rafsi/gismu d= istinction.

Let's suppose we drop all the gismu, and keep only t= heir associated rafsi. For CVC and CCV rafsi, we suffix -no or -mo (for tho= se CVC that end in 'n'), and we can make the gismu forms, and for t= he CVV, we can't make true gismu forms, but we can construct a CV magic= word that will bind the previous cmavo and produce something with the gram= mar of a selbri. Of course, that would just be in the "standalone gism= u" cases. For lujvo, we would proceed as normal.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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