Received: from mail-yk0-f191.google.com ([209.85.160.191]:63113) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XMDNT-00023u-7t for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:24 -0700 Received: by mail-yk0-f191.google.com with SMTP id 142sf3384122ykq.28 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+Joi+rLg0Xzy7W9SxT/gPKXA3034EAC916JQM+MK4jo=; b=Tu1cvJuPJ5cBM38pPptPhuDN7Ge7cwrGODbOaFCQoMfMlpiuYfJthdRCr8gxTemDue 9Sw4vYE0mQL2+wfviVXexW9Z1jn1GwEzy+TsikYDHfmEB5TuTN8fdaIResVjn1HoIZsK GQwE/lgELPVGdOQ9YCTTylc3L97dZIUkY8yGb3B29/YtWtpPUiz6QDPy0W6AuUeyFKfI LZRyXFYAahO6DKH1kaaEAUbIYPu4RQhFdTJz/0ONndNNAm85i1/DPE8/dnWa63Vrgr25 LSmxpJuSTyltz2EIMuGeO6FjsAbthoZFMps6x6vlNyMCeMX/giMNHr7vB/6kU2xzYSiB Yp0Q== X-Received: by 10.140.25.162 with SMTP id 31mr15482qgt.9.1409046556613; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.86.9 with SMTP id o9ls2517367qgd.47.gmail; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.112.234 with SMTP id y70mr17742154yhg.32.1409046556303; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x231.google.com (mail-qc0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id im3si613804qcb.1.2014.08.26.02.49.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::231; Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id x13so14902521qcv.8 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.151.69 with SMTP id b5mr44932272qaw.37.1409046556169; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68c85c6b-b8bb-4401-b7f6-f48cba9a3c6d@googlegroups.com> <26e79a95-2448-48cf-b269-f295f3073ddf@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 05:48:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot? 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The first syllable of a word is its semantic classifier, which for lujvo is usually the same as for the main word of the tanru it's based on. I changed the lujvo rules and the morphology (phonology too, but that didn't show in the example). Whether it's still self-segregating or not, I don't know (and don't much care). It helped alleviate my frustration with Lojban gismu. stevo On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > .i la stevo di'e cusku > > All my gismu (noglo) are CVCCV, where the initial CV is a semantic >> classifier and the rest is the unique rafsi. >> >> Two examples to illustrate how I form lujvo (nonla). >> >> 1) From "brajmadegycalku" (barda jamfu degji calku), 'big toe nail', >> I get su-njo bi-bla bi-gdo bu-dza => budza-gdo-bla-njo. >> >> 2) From "rilpemsa'a" (rilti pemci sanga), 'perform rap music', >> I get no-bre no-xma pe-jma => pejma-xma-bre. >> >> stevo >> > > How could I have expected anything less elegant than that? .u'i > > For the first lujvo, wouldn't it be possible to write "dza-gdo-bla-njo", > since dz is initial-permissible? And for the latter, wouldn't it be > "pejmy-xma-bre"? > Unless you have changed the lujvo rules or the morphology, in which case > this is more than just a relex. > > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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It's a relex in the broad sense of a one-to-one correspo= ndence between the parts of words.=C2=A0

The first syllable of a word is its semantic classifier, which for = lujvo is usually the same as for the main word of the tanru it's based = on.=C2=A0
I changed the lujvo rules and the morphology (phonology too, but that= didn't show in the example). Whether it's still self-segregating o= r not, I don't know (and don't much care).=C2=A0
It helped alleviate my frustration with Lojban gismu.=C2=A0

stevo


On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@g= mail.com> wrote:
.i la stevo di'e cusku<= br>
All my gismu (noglo) are CVCCV, where the initial CV is a semantic classifi= er and the rest is the unique rafsi.=C2=A0

Two examples to = illustrate how I form lujvo (nonla).

1) From "brajmadegycalku" (barda jamfu degji calku), 'big toe= nail',=C2=A0
I g= et su-njo bi-bla bi-gdo bu-dza =3D> budza-gdo-bla-njo.=C2=A0

2) From "rilpemsa'a" (rilti = pemci sanga), 'perform rap music',=C2=A0
I get no-bre no-xma pe-jma= =3D> pejma-xma-bre.=C2=A0

stevo

How could I have expected anyt= hing less elegant than that? .u'i

For the first lujvo, wouldn= 9;t it be possible to write "dza-gdo-bla-njo", since dz is initia= l-permissible? And for the latter, wouldn't it be "pejmy-xma-bre&q= uot;?
Unless you have changed the lujvo rules or the morphology, in which case th= is is more than just a relex.


.i mi'e la tsani m= u'o

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