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To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122f09890288605018889d5 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0122f09890288605018889d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:17 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > I have a relex of Lojban with completely a priori gismu. It has the > advantage that every gismu has just one short rafsi and one long rafsi. > How do you want me to show it? I'm not going to post them all here, and I > don't have a web site to put them on. > > stevo > I'd love to see it too. Pastebin or Google Docs come to mind as minimal solutions; neocities.org or github come to mind as hosting options too, and I'm sure that in a pinch, you can throw them on to a page in one of the wikis. > > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> 2014-08-24 20:21 GMT+04:00 MorphemeAddict : >> >> A priori creation is one. It could be much better than what was actually >>> done. >>> >> >> Then show one. >> >> >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS : >>>> >>>> On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "However, they are there from the gismu creation process to provide >>>>> mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of >>>>> the English (pronounced languedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as >>>>> easily without the chinese "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire >>>>> second syllable?" >>>>> >>>>> I can't really take this explanation seriously. I personally think >>>>> this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by statistically mixing >>>>> the letters of words from other languages just ends up creating words that >>>>> on the whole no one recognizes. >>>>> >>>> >>>> .ie >>>> However, what are the alternatives? >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On M= on, Aug 25, 2014 at 11:17 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a relex of Lojban with comp= letely a priori gismu. It has the advantage that every gismu has just one s= hort rafsi and one long rafsi.=C2=A0
How do you want me to show= it? I'm not going to post them all here, and I don't have a web si= te to put them on.=C2=A0

stevo

I'd love to see it too. Pastebin or G= oogle Docs come to mind as minimal solutions; neocities.org or github come to mind as hosting options too, and I&= #39;m sure that in a pinch, you can throw them on to a page in one of the w= ikis.
=C2=A0


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.nam= e@gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-24 20:21 = GMT+04:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:

A priori creation is one. It could= be much better than what was actually done.=C2=A0

Then show one.
=
=C2=A0

stevo


On= Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:



2014-08-24 17:41 = GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

On Sunda= y, August 24, 2014 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

"However, they are= there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How = quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of the English (pronounced la= nguedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as easily without the chinese = "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire second syllable?"= ;

I can't really take this explanation seriously. I p= ersonally think this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by stati= stically mixing the letters of words from other languages just ends up crea= ting words that on the whole no one recognizes.=C2=A0

.ie
However, what ar= e the alternatives?=C2=A0

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