Received: from mail-oi0-f62.google.com ([209.85.218.62]:43532) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XMINZ-00056O-Vd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:09:52 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f62.google.com with SMTP id x69sf3417736oia.17 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:09:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=Rdn3uDu4E8g9ZBuPSJ3ky4QCNj3N7XyM941eTBGwHWE=; b=PXV6xo9QxhXqyk9x+sZXhCUmlKXQLZtZiskADtUq8a49vNbi2KtSkC82KdywlkZWKo Ib1rLlINUbcEr07X9xcmISwylaXS9CQI3smmLcqbIoPrwwwOj8AnVr2/PCVhhBfyLEFt y0g73L+JyVo1T6b4nrGLtF6qdJ9hJ4myILV7kKzINbi2vpJ+k/EhARfVEAp6W3aTFI9A eopmt4F2UetQN0qST3Ivbdh97Yj4BkCP8JlC0d9CmZxiAK5TC4NZ+aALJZeWcF+3Ex6s oMvPM/+lXBU2wW6he+mOSdzpA+L2KT5pBuiq8Ws8so/Pa0QU9P6y/ePK3V+Bjimbkzmc vi4A== X-Received: by 10.182.110.167 with SMTP id ib7mr84966obb.8.1409065783696; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.24.3 with SMTP id q3ls952900obf.45.gmail; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:09:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.246.70 with SMTP id xu6mr18919611obc.31.1409065782805; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id dv5si410638pdb.2.2014.08.26.08.09.42 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.230; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:49360] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 81/AF-31046-533ACF35; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:09:42 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5BD1E06 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Letter Frequency in lojban Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: <10760396.AjVHTYKdCR@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-34-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <8D08DAC0705BEED-E34-41DDD@webmail-d263.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:53:12 TR NS wrote: > I disagree. When people make spelling mistakes it is almost always the > vowels they get wrong. And it is the vowels that tend to drift from diale= ct > to dialect. Nonetheless I think the vowel usage it Lojban is that abnorma= l. Not in Spanish. Mistakes such as "conosca", "bienbenidos", and confusing=20 "has/haz" and "ves/vez" are common. I know of one accent that changes the= =20 vowels (s is swallowed and its former presence causes vowel quality to chan= ge,=20 and I know someone who speaks like that). Besides the difference between=20 Castilian and Andalusian/Leftpondian pronunciations of "z", there are=20 Dominicans who sometimes pronounce /r/ as [l], Salvadorans and others=20 (including me) who often pronounce final /n/ as [=C5=8B], and various peopl= e who=20 swallow /s/. Pierre --=20 I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.