Received: from mail-la0-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:40473) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XMLMD-0006rZ-93 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:39 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f61.google.com with SMTP id b17sf1540062lan.26 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ll/lixygbxLchARWJlF2pRw7tnWu7/YqiBiTaXrcVHU=; b=ZRSJ+EBi9D4pa2oJCcYyv2JZ7bBG0zbyhaOE5YbK62gDLrBkGRQUqcrUJXc6+8mj/S WydXUNJQFZcRKeDglkTTA8zbQ4Bs0Hf9S2bLYVb3s+DZB1b8hMhfOMU0HXjlsKAje08f uD5eWGZCivz5y8D1+cFE6qEfpdlS8VJ0fnDvqN7412aS4k4HEuY4wN2Ek5O2MB204IGN 6PONh3hr7HMKDaYwl0kCcvZt+ec0ujhfbQ1JFN3oNltnqux7KCPijiSDQf4x5m1FCAH6 IR0VHwp8OSbfbBX4ia7iS4U36O3N8AUn2jykWaXf7YuMkp+y1Zs7uXotiMMIYcR5LSj8 Sv5w== X-Received: by 10.152.2.136 with SMTP id 8mr22797lau.13.1409077229737; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.43.166 with SMTP id x6ls511508lal.63.gmail; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.95.228 with SMTP id dn4mr2756338lbb.2.1409077228839; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com (mail-we0-x232.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3si102524wib.1.2014.08.26.11.20.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::232; Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w61so14941715wes.23 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.20.142 with SMTP id n14mr8591405wie.22.1409077228679; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53FCC960.5030709@lojban.org> References: <53F79061.5000706@lojban.org> <53F7D98A.5020101@lojban.org> <53F893AE.8030901@lojban.org> <53F9FD82.6070306@lojban.org> <53FCC960.5030709@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:20:28 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Revitalizing LLG: Suggestions for the 2014 annual meeting From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53f35ebad386e05018c5b24 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --bcaec53f35ebad386e05018c5b24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-08-26 21:52 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier : > On 8/24/2014 11:52 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> I'm sure there are. But I never see them; only hear about them. >> >> For example, one would think that with all these fluent people, >> someone would have produced a in-Lojban blog and gotten a link to it >> on the home page. Matt and a couple of others had blogs a couple >> years ago that were so-linked, but IIRC they were about Lojban >> rather than in the language. >> >> If IRC Lojban is so good, as some have said, someone could be >> selecting a "best of IRC" and making it easy to find. >> >> I'm tagging sentences in tatoeba.org to improve the >> quality of this database. >> > > I'm interested in stuff that I can find on www.lojban.org, preferably on, > or linked to, on the home page. That is where the world sees what Lojban > is. > > > It has > 10 000 sentences in Lojban. Many of >> them are taken from IRC. >> >> Otherwise, it's hard to read the logs in search of good sentences. >> What is good and what is not? >> > > If you can't tell, how would you expect the average Joe > not-yet-a-Lojbanist to do so? i add those sentences that i find interesting to lists. if you want tatoeba sentences copied to lojban.org tiki this is not a problem. Where would you like them to see and in what format? As a two-column table? > > > If moving all discussions to Lojban fail then you can ban us and >> continue the old policy of non-proliferation of Lojban zo'oru'e. >> > > That isn't "policy". It is de facto reality. There is a separate thread where people are making requests both in Lojban and in English. > > > mi tugni i e'u co'u pilno lo glibau gi'e co'a pilno lo jbobau po'o >> i ku'ido pu cusku losedu'u do na kakne i ku'i ma'a ka'e troci vau pei >> > > na go'i - at least, if I want to actually read and respond to all the > messages in this thread. > > If a person can speak fluent Lojban why disallow him/her from >> BPFK and LLG? >> >> Who is disallowing anyone? >> >> Sorry, I think I need to read those bylaws more carefully. Could you >> >> remind in two-three sentences of the procedure and requirements of >> applying new members? Is it too hard? >> > > People seem to be figuring it out %^) > > I agree. One of the recent theses on Lojban and FrameNet showed that >> Lojban is a powerful tool for machine translation (at least potentially). >> >> However, where are those other applications of Lojban shown by LLG? >> I can't see any activities at all, neither in learning Lojban, nor >> in psychology, philosophy, logic, mathematics ... >> > > A lot of discussions on lojban list have tended to break down into > questions of philosophy or logic rather than language usage. > > > lojbab > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2014-08-26 21:52 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier <= ;lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 8/24/2014 11:52 AM, Gleki= Arxokuna wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm sure there are.=C2=A0 But I never see them; only hear= about them.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 For example, one would think that with all these fluent peopl= e,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 someone would have produced a in-Lojban blog and gotten a lin= k to it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 on the home page.=C2=A0 Matt and a couple of others had blogs= a couple
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 years ago that were so-linked, but IIRC they were about Lojba= n
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 rather than in the language.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If IRC Lojban is so good, as some have said, someone could be=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 selecting a "best of IRC" and making it easy to fin= d.

I'm tagging sentences in tatoeba.org <htt= p://tatoeba.org> to improve the
quality of this database.

I'm interested in stuff that I can find on www.lojban.org, preferably on, or linked to, on= the home page.=C2=A0 That is where the world sees what Lojban is.


It has > 10 000 sentences in Lojban. Many of
them are taken from IRC.

Otherwise, it's hard to read the logs in search of good sentences.
What is good and what is not?

If you can't tell, how would you expect the average Joe not-yet-a-Lojba= nist to do so?

i add those sentences that i= find interesting to lists. if you want tatoeba sentences copied to lojban.org tiki this is not a problem. Where wou= ld you like them to see and in what format? As a two-column table?




If moving all discussions to Lojban fail then you can ban us and
continue the old policy of non-proliferation of Lojban zo'oru'e.

That isn't "policy".=C2=A0 It is de facto reality.

There is a separate thread where people are making re= quests both in Lojban and in English.


mi tugni i e'u co'u pilno lo glibau gi'e co'a pilno lo jbob= au po'o
i ku'ido pu cusku losedu'u do na kakne i ku'i ma'a ka'e= troci vau pei

na go'i - at least, if I want to actually read and respond to all the m= essages in this thread.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If a person can speak fluent Lojban why disallo= w him/her from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BPFK and LLG?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Who is disallowing anyone?

Sorry, I think I need to read those bylaws more carefully. Could you

remind in two-three sentences of the procedure and requirements of
applying new members? Is it too hard?

People seem to be figuring it out %^)


I agree. One of the recent theses on Lojban and FrameNet showed that
Lojban is a powerful tool for machine translation (at least potentially).
However, where are those other applications of Lojban shown by LLG?
I can't see any activities at all, neither in learning Lojban, nor
in psychology, philosophy, logic, mathematics ...

A lot of discussions on lojban list have tended to break down into question= s of philosophy or logic rather than language usage.
<= div class=3D"h5">

lojbab

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