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On 8/27/2014 2:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>     I am the last person to consult on website design.  I'm just saying
>     that a chronic complaint from new people and casual strangers is
>     that our home page lacks current news, and that if people like you
>     want more people to read Lojban, you should make sure Lojban text
>     which will encourage discussion should be on the home page or some
>     other place where people will quickly page to.  In the past Matt was
>     encouraging discussion with a blog, so it seems like a timely blog,
>     in language, possibly with multiple contributors, would be the sort
>     of thing that will encourage what you want.  I would ask Matt for
>     other ideas - he was the one with ideas and enthusiasm for promoting
>     Lojban.  I'm of the wrong generation to know how to appeal to
>     youngsters (i.e. people under 50 %^)
>
>
> For storing lengthy ideas some use blogs or pages on
> lojban.org <http://lojban.org> and
> mw.lojban.org <http://mw.lojban.org>

Where?  Not obvious from the home page, which is where people look.

> In most cases they place links to their articles (no matter where their
> articles reside) to the freenode #lojban channel,
> http://reddit.com/r/lojban/ or https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/
> or to twitter.com <http://twitter.com>

I don't see how any of those is responsive to what I described.

>                  If moving all discussions to Lojban fail then you can
>         ban us and
>                  continue the old policy of non-proliferation of Lojban
>         zo'oru'e.
>
>              That isn't "policy".  It is de facto reality.
>
>         There is a separate thread where people are making requests both in
>         Lojban and in English.
>
>     What thread?  "End vowel for slot" doesn't seem like that sort of thing.
>
> I don't know if you receive messages from it. Here its online copy
> showing that using only Lojban is not a problem:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/lojban/jiHfjZUqTjM

Actually, most or all of those posters provided a translation.  But of 
course, that thread isn't really a discussion, either.

Could Lojbanists carry out a discussion, say, of Craig's ZG issue, 
entirely in Lojban?  Probably several people could, including Craig, but 
they aren't doing so.  And probably half or more of the membership could 
not follow such a discussion, or if they could follow it, could not then 
contribute in a timely matter.  (I might be able to follow it at email 
speeds, but I haven't exactly figured out what the issue is from his 
English description; it wouldn't be easier for me in Lojban).  That is 
why I called the situation "de facto reality" and not "policy".

lojbab

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