Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 04:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] application to join the LLG
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coi mi'e la guskant

i .ai mi cpedu lo nu mi gau cmima lylygy kei tezu'epo'o lo nu loi pinka be 
fi mi be'o no'u di'e cu co'a catni
i to'unai zu'i noi se ciska bu'u la'o url
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=gadri:+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+point+of+view
url
isegu lo nu mi lylygy co'a cmima cu se curmi 
gi .au lylygy pensi lo si'o loi de'u pinka cu gau pagbu lo cylyly bavla'i 
noi cukta
i loi de'u pinka cu sidbo jicmu la lojban gi'e jai sarcu .ei tu'a lo di'u 
cukta

ni'o bu'u la'o url
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Logical+Language+Group#Becoming_a_member
url
cu cusku di'e 
i zoi sitna.

> According to the bylaws, "persons may be named members upon 
recommendation for membership by any member and by election by a majority 
of all the members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy."
> 
> The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
> 
>     competence in fields including linguistics, psychology, philosophy, 
logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, education, 
and human biology
>     high personal dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language 
Group as specified in the bylaws 

.sitna

i pe'i mi to'e certu ro da poi me lo di'u seltadni
i ku'i mi na djuno lo du'u lo ka certu cu se manri fi makau
i .e'u cagi pajni lo nu mi gau cmima lylygy 
gi loi de'u pinka cu ka'e ve jinvi fi lo ni certu lo lojyske
i ji'a la'a lo di'e skina cu ka'e ve jinvi fi lo ni certu lo pijyske
i sa'unai mi pu te skina lo nu mi pu tavla loi pijyskepre la'e lu la lojban 
jo'u la kuain li'u lo ponjo
i do ka'e ve skina bu'u la'o url
http://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo
url
iji'a do ka'e kibycpa lo pydyfy datnyvei la'o url
http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/lojban20131221.pdf
url
ida'i lo nu go'o cu sarcu
inaja mi ba'a .ai fanva lo se skina lo glico
iku'i pe'i mi na kakne lonu pu lo lylygy nunjmaji cu mo'u fanva
i sa'u lo'i tcila be lo te tavla cu se liste de'e noi glico
fa'o


I would like to apply to join the LLG, only for making my commentary be 
official:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=gadri:+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+point+of+view

Whether my application is accepted or not, I still want LLG to consider 
inserting the commentary in the next version of CLL. This commentary 
contains a theoretical basis of Lojban, and should be essential for the 
Book.

As for the competence in the fields listed above, I think I am incompetent 
for all of them. However, I don't know how do you estimate the competence 
in those fields. 

The above mentioned commentary may be a piece of evidence for my competence 
in logic, and maybe the following video can be a piece of evidence for my 
competence in philosophy. I made a video clip of my speech to philosophers 
on "Lojban and Quine" in Japanese language. You can view the video at
http://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo
You can also download the pdf file at
http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/lojban20131221.pdf

If required, I will prepare an English version, but I don't think I can 
finish translation before the next meeting of LLG. The contents of my 
speech are shown below:


00:00:17 Planned language
00:02:46 Loglan
00:03:40 Basis of construction of Loglan: Leibniz
00:14:07 Basis of construction of Loglan: Whorf
00:20:30 Lojban grammar
00:23:11 cakyrespa
00:28:30 Practical use of Lojban
00:29:04 Lojban proposition
00:31:18 Observative
00:32:22 Description terms
00:37:40 New definition of description terms
00:41:06 "Pegasize"
00:42:14 Suggested grammar for "pegasize"
00:43:43 Use and mention
00:45:12 Lojban and logic - second-order logic
00:47:15 Lojban and logic - third/higher-order logic
00:52:06 Lojban and logic - multi-valued logic
00:53:13 Lojban and logic - modal logic
00:54:20 Summary
00:55:28 Discussion - Russell's interpretation
00:58:16 Discussion - Expressive power of Lojban and Logic
01:01:04 Discussion - Strong/weak principle of linguistic relativity
01:02:04 Discussion - No language, no thought?
01:05:00 Discussion - Logic to Lojban
01:05:48 Discussion - History: terms to relations, multi-terms to binary
01:11:17 Discussion - Language and vague description
01:14:53 Discussion - Unification of expression
01:17:14 Discussion - Practical use
01:19:00 Discussion - Quine to Lojban?
01:21:48 Discussion - Which are Quine-like?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">coi mi'e la guskant<br><br>i .ai mi cpedu lo nu mi gau cmi=
ma lylygy kei tezu'epo'o lo nu loi pinka be fi mi be'o no'u di'e cu co'a ca=
tni<br>i to'unai zu'i noi se ciska bu'u la'o url<br>http://www.lojban.org/t=
iki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dgadri:+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+po=
int+of+view<br>url<br>isegu lo nu mi lylygy co'a cmima cu se curmi <br>gi .=
au lylygy pensi lo si'o loi de'u pinka cu gau pagbu lo cylyly bavla'i noi c=
ukta<br>i loi de'u pinka cu sidbo jicmu la lojban gi'e jai sarcu .ei tu'a l=
o di'u cukta<br><br>ni'o bu'u la'o url<br>http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Lo=
gical+Language+Group#Becoming_a_member<br>url<br>cu cusku di'e <br>i zoi si=
tna.<br><br>&gt; According to the bylaws, "persons may be named members upo=
n recommendation for membership by any member and by election by a majority=
 of all the members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy."<br>&gt; <br=
>&gt; The bylaws specify the following qualifications:<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; competence in fields including linguistics, psychology=
, philosophy, logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology=
, education, and human biology<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; high persona=
l dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language Group as specified in =
the bylaws <br><br>.sitna<br><br>i pe'i mi to'e certu ro da poi me lo di'u =
seltadni<br>i ku'i mi na djuno lo du'u lo ka certu cu se manri fi makau<br>=
i .e'u cagi pajni lo nu mi gau cmima lylygy <br>gi loi de'u pinka cu ka'e v=
e jinvi fi lo ni certu lo lojyske<br>i ji'a la'a lo di'e skina cu ka'e ve j=
invi fi lo ni certu lo pijyske<br>i sa'unai mi pu te skina lo nu mi pu tavl=
a loi pijyskepre la'e lu la lojban jo'u la kuain li'u lo ponjo<br>i do ka'e=
 ve skina bu'u la'o url<br>http://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo<br>url<br>iji'a do k=
a'e kibycpa lo pydyfy datnyvei la'o url<br>http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/l=
ojban20131221.pdf<br>url<br>ida'i lo nu go'o cu sarcu<br>inaja mi ba'a .ai =
fanva lo se skina lo glico<br>iku'i pe'i mi na kakne lonu pu lo lylygy nunj=
maji cu mo'u fanva<br>i sa'u lo'i tcila be lo te tavla cu se liste de'e noi=
 glico<br>fa'o<br><br><br>I would like to apply to join the LLG, only for m=
aking my commentary be official:<br>http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.p=
hp?page=3Dgadri:+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+point+of+view<br><=
br>Whether my application is accepted or not, I still want LLG to consider =
inserting the commentary in the next version of CLL. This commentary contai=
ns a theoretical basis of Lojban, and should be essential for the Book.<br>=
<br>As for the competence in the fields listed above, I think I am incompet=
ent for all of them. However, I don't know how do you estimate the competen=
ce in those fields. <br><br>The above mentioned commentary may be a piece o=
f evidence for my competence in logic, and maybe the following video can be=
 a piece of evidence for my competence in philosophy. I made a video clip o=
f my speech to philosophers on "Lojban and Quine" in Japanese language. You=
 can view the video at<br>http://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo<br>You can also downl=
oad the pdf file at<br>http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/lojban20131221.pdf<br=
><br>If required, I will prepare an English version, but I don't think I ca=
n finish translation before the next meeting of LLG. The contents of my spe=
ech are shown below:<br><br><br>00:00:17 Planned language<br>00:02:46 Logla=
n<br>00:03:40 Basis of construction of Loglan: Leibniz<br>00:14:07 Basis of=
 construction of Loglan: Whorf<br>00:20:30 Lojban grammar<br>00:23:11 cakyr=
espa<br>00:28:30 Practical use of Lojban<br>00:29:04 Lojban proposition<br>=
00:31:18 Observative<br>00:32:22 Description terms<br>00:37:40 New definiti=
on of description terms<br>00:41:06 "Pegasize"<br>00:42:14 Suggested gramma=
r for "pegasize"<br>00:43:43 Use and mention<br>00:45:12 Lojban and logic -=
 second-order logic<br>00:47:15 Lojban and logic - third/higher-order logic=
<br>00:52:06 Lojban and logic - multi-valued logic<br>00:53:13 Lojban and l=
ogic - modal logic<br>00:54:20 Summary<br>00:55:28 Discussion - Russell's i=
nterpretation<br>00:58:16 Discussion - Expressive power of Lojban and Logic=
<br>01:01:04 Discussion - Strong/weak principle of linguistic relativity<br=
>01:02:04 Discussion - No language, no thought?<br>01:05:00 Discussion - Lo=
gic to Lojban<br>01:05:48 Discussion - History: terms to relations, multi-t=
erms to binary<br>01:11:17 Discussion - Language and vague description<br>0=
1:14:53 Discussion - Unification of expression<br>01:17:14 Discussion - Pra=
ctical use<br>01:19:00 Discussion - Quine to Lojban?<br>01:21:48 Discussion=
 - Which are Quine-like?<br><br></div>

<p></p>

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