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This commentary contains a theoretical basis of Lojban, and should be essential for the Book. As for the competence in the fields listed above, I think I am incompetent for all of them. However, I don't know how do you estimate the competence in those fields. The above mentioned commentary may be a piece of evidence for my competence in logic, and maybe the following video can be a piece of evidence for my competence in philosophy. I made a video clip of my speech to philosophers on "Lojban and Quine" in Japanese language. You can view the video at http://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo You can also download the pdf file at http://guskant.github.io/lojbo/lojban20131221.pdf If required, I will prepare an English version, but I don't think I can finish translation before the next meeting of LLG. The contents of my speech are shown below: 00:00:17 Planned language 00:02:46 Loglan 00:03:40 Basis of construction of Loglan: Leibniz 00:14:07 Basis of construction of Loglan: Whorf 00:20:30 Lojban grammar 00:23:11 cakyrespa 00:28:30 Practical use of Lojban 00:29:04 Lojban proposition 00:31:18 Observative 00:32:22 Description terms 00:37:40 New definition of description terms 00:41:06 "Pegasize" 00:42:14 Suggested grammar for "pegasize" 00:43:43 Use and mention 00:45:12 Lojban and logic - second-order logic 00:47:15 Lojban and logic - third/higher-order logic 00:52:06 Lojban and logic - multi-valued logic 00:53:13 Lojban and logic - modal logic 00:54:20 Summary 00:55:28 Discussion - Russell's interpretation 00:58:16 Discussion - Expressive power of Lojban and Logic 01:01:04 Discussion - Strong/weak principle of linguistic relativity 01:02:04 Discussion - No language, no thought? 01:05:00 Discussion - Logic to Lojban 01:05:48 Discussion - History: terms to relations, multi-terms to binary 01:11:17 Discussion - Language and vague description 01:14:53 Discussion - Unification of expression 01:17:14 Discussion - Practical use 01:19:00 Discussion - Quine to Lojban? 01:21:48 Discussion - Which are Quine-like? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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ua i mi ta'o djica lo nu do fanva lo do me PDF da= tnyvei lo glico a lo lojbo
i ku'i mi ka'e denpa ze= 9;u

---------- Forwarde= d message ----------
From: guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>Date: 2014-08-29 15:53 GMT+04:00
Subject: Re: [lojban] application to j= oin the LLG
To: lojban@googlegroups.com<= br>

coi mi'e la guskant

i .ai mi cpedu l= o nu mi gau cmima lylygy kei tezu'epo'o lo nu loi pinka be fi mi be= 'o no'u di'e cu co'a catni
i to'unai zu'i noi se ciska bu'u la'o url
http://www.lojban.org/ti= ki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dgadri:+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+poi= nt+of+view
url
isegu lo nu mi lylygy co'a cmima cu se curmi
gi .au lylygy p= ensi lo si'o loi de'u pinka cu gau pagbu lo cylyly bavla'i noi = cukta
i loi de'u pinka cu sidbo jicmu la lojban gi'e jai sarcu .= ei tu'a lo di'u cukta

ni'o bu'u la'o url
http://www= .lojban.org/tiki/The+Logical+Language+Group#Becoming_a_member
url cu cusku di'e
i zoi sitna.

> According to the bylaws, &qu= ot;persons may be named members upon recommendation for membership by any m= ember and by election by a majority of all the members of the Corporation, = in person or by proxy."
>
> The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
>
= >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 competence in fields including linguistics, ps= ychology, philosophy, logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, s= ociology, education, and human biology
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 high personal dedication to the purposes of Th= e Logical Language Group as specified in the bylaws

.sitna

i= pe'i mi to'e certu ro da poi me lo di'u seltadni
i ku'i= mi na djuno lo du'u lo ka certu cu se manri fi makau
i .e'u cagi pajni lo nu mi gau cmima lylygy
gi loi de'u pinka c= u ka'e ve jinvi fi lo ni certu lo lojyske
i ji'a la'a lo di&= #39;e skina cu ka'e ve jinvi fi lo ni certu lo pijyske
i sa'unai= mi pu te skina lo nu mi pu tavla loi pijyskepre la'e lu la lojban jo&#= 39;u la kuain li'u lo ponjo
i do ka'e ve skina bu'u la'o url
http://youtu.be/lzqhNYCWKLo
url
ij= i'a do ka'e kibycpa lo pydyfy datnyvei la'o url
http://= guskant.github.io/lojbo/lojban20131221.pdf
url
ida'i lo nu go'o cu sarcu
inaja mi ba'a .ai fanva lo = se skina lo glico
iku'i pe'i mi na kakne lonu pu lo lylygy nunjm= aji cu mo'u fanva
i sa'u lo'i tcila be lo te tavla cu se lis= te de'e noi glico
fa'o


I would like to apply to join the LLG, only for making = my commentary be official:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dgadri:= +an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+point+of+view

Whether my application is accepted or not, I still want LLG to consider= inserting the commentary in the next version of CLL. This commentary conta= ins a theoretical basis of Lojban, and should be essential for the Book.
As for the competence in the fields listed above, I think I am incompet= ent for all of them. However, I don't know how do you estimate the comp= etence in those fields.

The above mentioned commentary may be a pie= ce of evidence for my competence in logic, and maybe the following video ca= n be a piece of evidence for my competence in philosophy. I made a video cl= ip of my speech to philosophers on "Lojban and Quine" in Japanese= language. You can view the video at
http://youtu.be/l= zqhNYCWKLo
You can also download the pdf file at
http://gusk= ant.github.io/lojbo/lojban20131221.pdf

If required, I will prepare an English version, but I don't think I= can finish translation before the next meeting of LLG. The contents of my = speech are shown below:


00:00:17 Planned language
00:02:46 Lo= glan
00:03:40 Basis of construction of Loglan: Leibniz
00:14:07 Basis of cons= truction of Loglan: Whorf
00:20:30 Lojban grammar
00:23:11 cakyrespa<= br>00:28:30 Practical use of Lojban
00:29:04 Lojban proposition
00:31= :18 Observative
00:32:22 Description terms
00:37:40 New definition of description terms<= br>00:41:06 "Pegasize"
00:42:14 Suggested grammar for "pe= gasize"
00:43:43 Use and mention
00:45:12 Lojban and logic - sec= ond-order logic
00:47:15 Lojban and logic - third/higher-order logic
00:52:06 Lojban and= logic - multi-valued logic
00:53:13 Lojban and logic - modal logic
0= 0:54:20 Summary
00:55:28 Discussion - Russell's interpretation
00:58:16 Discussion - Expressive power of Lojban and Logic
01:01:04 Disc= ussion - Strong/weak principle of linguistic relativity
01:02:04 Discuss= ion - No language, no thought?
01:05:00 Discussion - Logic to Lojban
01:05:48 Discussion - History: terms to relations, multi-terms to binary01:11:17 Discussion - Language and vague description
01:14:53 Discussio= n - Unification of expression
01:17:14 Discussion - Practical use
01:19:00 Discussion - Quine to Lojban?
01:21:48 Discussion - Which are Q= uine-like?

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