Received: from mail-we0-f185.google.com ([74.125.82.185]:64838) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XOMdp-0005NE-7h for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:10 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f185.google.com with SMTP id q58sf510472wes.12 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=X4NwrBdgB7qMTaGDgD3IGaiStSv33Nv32aRSw7fmVKs=; b=L7Al6+MgKr+2O7mdHNkrS1irsVtzWxEiVPo18w+6DJniS70AK+8gaI+siqnxBf2n5w aDNvgpA+HYYYs4OmrtKjunzw03EmmqNNfuy1p3bT4od+5RMBnxMrJvnT4OxDO26YC/W8 HknnUvWZxlDF0HX3DtK1NOUUbFspiSN/5ZsJWE8b5PGPfwm+frWh7DSUvRGcNFIBWgFL VxUPUktmmaOVr1ZCwiKi/lZkJ5V+omG3ANAjoYAsOoUPwHXa7EdWtn11Zi2kEFkm8GfF /RcPZd4t3+RJ+Z/QrD0PhqH/gE8kCcECz9OjkR+j9sim9bPCn8Tb6qlsXk0SKgNz+CL+ 7rtw== X-Received: by 10.152.10.74 with SMTP id g10mr201lab.32.1409558822107; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.153.4.7 with SMTP id ca7ls284537lad.71.gmail; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.199.231 with SMTP id jn7mr9474lbc.16.1409558821298; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22b.google.com (mail-we0-x22b.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s13si390048wij.3.2014.09.01.01.07.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b; Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u56so5027511wes.16 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.108.1 with SMTP id hg1mr20390762wib.25.1409558821209; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 01:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 12:07:01 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] criticism of lojban needed From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3ba097d40c010501fc7cb9 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --e89a8f3ba097d40c010501fc7cb9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 the wikipedia article about lojban might need a short list of criticism of lojban with links (e.g. to posts in this mailing list). Balanced criticism actually makes languages more popular, so it's advisable to make such a list. Here are some thoughts: 1. gismu are hard to learn by everyone (as the algorithm mutilates the initial form of words) 2. za'a/ga'a/zgana/zga is hard to remember (would be better to have one root instead of 4) 3. abundance of kafkylerfu 4. still no machine translation ke'u, links needed, the list might need more items -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --e89a8f3ba097d40c010501fc7cb9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the wikipedia article about lojban might need a short list= of criticism of lojban with links (e.g. to posts in this mailing list). Ba= lanced criticism actually makes languages more popular, so it's advisab= le to make such a list.

Here are some thoughts:
1. gismu are hard to learn= by everyone (as the algorithm mutilates the initial form of words)
2. za'a/ga'a/zgana/zga is hard to remember (would be better to h= ave one root instead of 4)
3. abundance of kafkylerfu
4. still no machine translation

ke'u, links needed, the list might need more it= ems

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