Received: from mail-qa0-f58.google.com ([209.85.216.58]:60198) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XOVy5-0002fB-UL for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:42 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f58.google.com with SMTP id k15sf1398224qaq.23 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=yMen6LajRVT27DPB7jTCR+lM4KqtBONwgYsM25bRa5c=; b=ID58l6Z5g2TGPGp018PRE1IzphOo6KJ6CPkPmuKo/2suhdLQmrvYpDSLnMaFzkP0qk gyGDB97lhCjxBu/dBhguSiyhv9t76MkwiH9heeFiJ8Cn2bLuyiBHuJpL6ypV02zYZ4hb NiGCEJ8okY8kR2PSECzapCtck+IRQNOpg0gkq4vY7OceEM6DwMsz45zoVauDd5okLK5l AiQMNzp3eqjQTOXL3/N2cxecbZccPb6/C31nTVYvw/Mmn8eBzlT9k6CmxdnrzMkY9va9 3goA/0aH3whop0vgjbyzzAp8hF4AgsFXSj01OGD+OFaTNhBubLXyGY7/LS3+LU+thEvj S3tw== X-Received: by 10.140.83.180 with SMTP id j49mr687296qgd.1.1409594675239; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.95.21 with SMTP id h21ls2110164qge.52.gmail; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.117.141 with SMTP id j13mr14501303yhh.3.1409594674961; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-x22c.google.com (mail-qc0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ld1si308936qcb.3.2014.09.01.11.04.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c; Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o8so5634310qcw.17 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.36.4 with SMTP id r4mr48021117qad.69.1409594674818; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:04:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68bfe745-9092-41e8-9fee-46c9b0f6d9e0@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 14:04:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Idea about taxonomic vocabualry To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01537280deb457050204d522 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e01537280deb457050204d522 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It CAN be done. In many different ways. I chose one way for mine. It probably wouldn't suit others. stevo On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Semantical categorization of the universe can't be done since most > concepts have more than one useful tag. > Look at this attempt: > http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=semantic_categorization_of_gismu > It is not perfect and no attempt can be perfect. > > Also read this: > http://www.alamut.com/subj/artiface/language/johnWilkins.html > > > 2014-09-01 18:36 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > > I was thinking about stevo's `CV` categorized gismu (still would like to >> see that, btw) and recently reading about the notion of taxonomic languages >> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_language) when a neat idea >> struck me. If the the first three letters of a gismu related all such words >> --for the sake of argument let's say all fruit words started with `fru`, so >> then `frupa` might mean apple, `furba` banana, `furca` strawberry, etc. >> then my idea is that there could be a special cmavo that created a "group >> context", call it `xi'o... xi'u` and then one could say thins like: >> >> fruxi'o pa .e ba .e ca [xi'u] >> >> Which would be the same as >> >> frupa .e fruba .e fruca >> >> Of course this cmavo is a little odd b/c it works more like an >> inflection. And unfortunately Lojban doesn't have any sort of taxonomic >> vocabulary whatsoever. So it doesn't really fly. 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It CAN be done. In many different ways. I chose one way for = mine. It probably wouldn't suit others.=C2=A0

stevo


On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <glek= i.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Semantical categorization o= f the universe can't be done since most concepts have more than one use= ful tag.
Look at this attempt:
It is not perfect and no attempt can be perfect.


2= 014-09-01 18:36 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

I was thinking about stevo's `CV` categorized gismu (s= till would like to see that, btw) and recently reading about the notion of = taxonomic languages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_la= nguage) when a neat idea struck me. If the the first three letters of a= gismu related all such words --for the sake of argument let's say all = fruit words started with `fru`, so then `frupa` might mean apple, `furba` b= anana, `furca` strawberry, etc. then my idea is that there could be a speci= al cmavo that created a "group context", call it `xi'o... xi&= #39;u` and then one could say thins like:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fruxi'o pa .e ba .e ca [xi'u]

Which would be the same as

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 frupa .e fruba .e fruca

Of course this= cmavo is a little odd b/c it works more like an inflection. And unfortunat= ely Lojban doesn't have any sort of taxonomic vocabulary whatsoever. So= it doesn't really fly. But I thought it was a neat idea anyway, so I t= hought I'd share.

.trans.

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