Received: from mail-qc0-f190.google.com ([209.85.216.190]:44005) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XOW1t-0002gM-0T for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:39 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f190.google.com with SMTP id x13sf1415755qcv.17 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=koBQ40SzOzz6ZcEUCZlFIx7GkjYBnZyNWk3JkLUOst4=; b=PwzHLU8VmOzVpX2ti/+N18tOrbR0YUhILbxaUhkS0ZSUXzRdhiRqFQSbf4N3uHEY/7 eBG+lRRoZeBN1GDVpD1S3/vpo0aYf/x2Np1LypLwxatg5+NJ93a2cOfwfPiIiJFblcyD nqhJjs45uUZjZEYoV3HfeA1akdHpjU9msTEAms2fG4gnrGALlUG78fSfyi/9fEWs6jOy qJYRT2B8jFq9RDEg+KARWM1b/cCW9R+MOvR7YwU70N2eMeFqEnDxO6svDX5/LmazaxWq g7rwI1joAycRf30Z9RxJ8Qz9EXGuuH5oAax4reXTYmsPaxe5DISXV2DvaGxo0KFFP7g4 3C8Q== X-Received: by 10.140.19.213 with SMTP id 79mr615131qgh.5.1409594910723; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.87.6 with SMTP id q6ls2108891qgd.82.gmail; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.16.165 with SMTP id h25mr16281138yhh.30.1409594910399; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x22e.google.com (mail-qg0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ld1si310420qcb.3.2014.09.01.11.08.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e; Received: by mail-qg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id q107so5407413qgd.5 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.36.4 with SMTP id r4mr48057991qad.69.1409594909608; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:07:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <68bfe745-9092-41e8-9fee-46c9b0f6d9e0@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 14:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Idea about taxonomic vocabualry To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01537280dd5bf5050204e3e5 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e01537280dd5bf5050204e3e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The semantic classifiers mean essentially the same as what Rick Morneau used in Latejami. I use all the CV combinations (roughly 100 classifiers). It's a private project, not intended to rule the world. stevo On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 2:04 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > It CAN be done. In many different ways. I chose one way for mine. It > probably wouldn't suit others. > > stevo > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Semantical categorization of the universe can't be done since most >> concepts have more than one useful tag. >> Look at this attempt: >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=semantic_categorization_of_gismu >> It is not perfect and no attempt can be perfect. >> >> Also read this: >> http://www.alamut.com/subj/artiface/language/johnWilkins.html >> >> >> 2014-09-01 18:36 GMT+04:00 TR NS : >> >> I was thinking about stevo's `CV` categorized gismu (still would like to >>> see that, btw) and recently reading about the notion of taxonomic languages >>> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_language) when a neat idea >>> struck me. If the the first three letters of a gismu related all such words >>> --for the sake of argument let's say all fruit words started with `fru`, so >>> then `frupa` might mean apple, `furba` banana, `furca` strawberry, etc. >>> then my idea is that there could be a special cmavo that created a "group >>> context", call it `xi'o... xi'u` and then one could say thins like: >>> >>> fruxi'o pa .e ba .e ca [xi'u] >>> >>> Which would be the same as >>> >>> frupa .e fruba .e fruca >>> >>> Of course this cmavo is a little odd b/c it works more like an >>> inflection. And unfortunately Lojban doesn't have any sort of taxonomic >>> vocabulary whatsoever. So it doesn't really fly. But I thought it was a >>> neat idea anyway, so I thought I'd share. >>> >>> .trans. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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The semantic classifiers mean essentially the same as what R= ick Morneau used in Latejami. I use all the CV combinations (roughly 100 cl= assifiers).=C2=A0
It's a private project, not intended to rule the world.=C2=A0

stevo


On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 2:04 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.= com> wrote:
It CAN be done. In many diffe= rent ways. I chose one way for mine. It probably wouldn't suit others.= =C2=A0

stevo


On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at = 10:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Semantical categorization o= f the universe can't be done since most concepts have more than one use= ful tag.
Look at this attempt:
It is not perfect and no attempt can be perfect.


2= 014-09-01 18:36 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

I was thinking about stevo's `CV` categorized gismu (s= till would like to see that, btw) and recently reading about the notion of = taxonomic languages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_la= nguage) when a neat idea struck me. If the the first three letters of a= gismu related all such words --for the sake of argument let's say all = fruit words started with `fru`, so then `frupa` might mean apple, `furba` b= anana, `furca` strawberry, etc. then my idea is that there could be a speci= al cmavo that created a "group context", call it `xi'o... xi&= #39;u` and then one could say thins like:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fruxi'o pa .e ba .e ca [xi'u]

Which would be the same as

=C2=A0= =C2=A0 frupa .e fruba .e fruca

Of course this= cmavo is a little odd b/c it works more like an inflection. And unfortunat= ely Lojban doesn't have any sort of taxonomic vocabulary whatsoever. So= it doesn't really fly. But I thought it was a neat idea anyway, so I t= hought I'd share.

.trans.

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