Received: from mail-qa0-f58.google.com ([209.85.216.58]:40757) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XOWmb-0002vd-8F for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:56:53 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f58.google.com with SMTP id k15sf1404632qaq.23 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=4WDFCIijBzC9xsr1y0z8k7o1bdjJZdHVds52HvtbJEQ=; b=aAMtvnxzJZTHZAGNhQg+OuET1xS+OBj24DJqEddEa0Bqh7j7pvInSSlAPpeADDOPfb SzhgpZ2+0q9i19TCSt00e60OwPpNzfFF3Zl4enVamSWF7UvGZWMjwiMJn92A92aPQ+3m w3Mh2cxOHFQfAst5yNDy76sUZ6FU0H4PFI2hI/HsfB0Q+UImaYL2eMAo46IcOh84xZQ6 7btRTwVEF0HvStgG9nqBHAr/Dk/aZ5MSpeY2jVHgmOV4PqqqT8aP2DWNphgZ57ALJhR2 vjvk5Znq2G7FH74uOf9dr71JE5jGtB99KJCq4/jCYJ63/vtcqVYzwH9yqXaM3U9SNxI2 8qvw== X-Received: by 10.182.24.69 with SMTP id s5mr34124obf.16.1409597806588; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.34.200 with SMTP id b8ls728756obj.26.gmail; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.56.200 with SMTP id c8mr17216224obq.7.1409597806086; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dv5si203127pdb.2.2014.09.01.11.56.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XOWmS-0002vV-7D for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:56:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:56:44 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] criticism of lojban needed Message-ID: <20140901185644.GC5163@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Note: SpamAssassin invocation failed On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 12:07:01PM +0400, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > the wikipedia article about lojban might need a short list of criticism of > lojban with links (e.g. to posts in this mailing list). Balanced criticism > actually makes languages more popular, so it's advisable to make such a > list. > > Here are some thoughts: My troubles actually speaking the thing on a daily basis: 1. The total lack of idiom 2. The incredible self-similarity of the gismu makes keeping them straight extremely difficult for me in practice (i.e. when speaking at full speed). 3. *WAY* too many c/s/j sounds; so many accidental tounge twisters -- http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.