Received: from mail-qc0-f188.google.com ([209.85.216.188]:61509) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XOiB4-0006qr-Vc for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:55 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f188.google.com with SMTP id i8sf1532237qcq.15 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=I7Trr+F4D0dbVZo9LC2DHJf7Oz1oJIoA/fQfoA31f7w=; b=KmArsC9aqxNY5vtkORe3zkAnc2WfPAVKgB11eDj26at8Gayfd8Qjf+ulo4vw2AxO55 gr+zAfFygcFcxKCyAP+M9P8TMytHrFud0a2uZVipDKYvQ2iEv38KrUjF62fXBpcJ+PRi s+Y5JTK9FriI6hbHlGGA11GFNSdiD7l/JozdjRW90GFRA2II/XorXuwxDiBQoeScAvAa Kg8dg3FQRTZtu//jDvn0d7WPJ9n3BspEXMzXBaOjJ9lkEYUz0BHlivqnPVD9OuEU/K9o FIf7VtprO0FJ0T5cL2rI9lpu0t3u+WDcZWV+kbw5GnVwCd0tLMW9d53s4/ChIDxW9FgC IlkQ== X-Received: by 10.50.30.38 with SMTP id p6mr428012igh.8.1409641608146; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.44.43 with SMTP id b11ls2354727igm.19.gmail; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.124.136 with SMTP id mi8mr18178143pab.15.1409641607665; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22f.google.com (mail-ob0-x22f.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s5si789330igm.1.2014.09.02.00.06.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gaetanuscajetan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f; Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wp4so4502487obc.6 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.147.130 with SMTP id tk2mr462247oeb.68.1409641606791; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (cpe-72-191-185-114.elp.res.rr.com. [72.191.185.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fg2sm3347082obb.16.2014.09.02.00.06.44 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <54056C82.9080505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 01:06:42 -0600 From: Gaetano Cajetan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] criticism of lojban needed References: <20140901185644.GC5163@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20140901185644.GC5163@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> X-Original-Sender: gaetanuscajetan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gaetanuscajetan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gaetanuscajetan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Tongue twisters are fun if you ask me. ;-) On 09/01/2014 12:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 12:07:01PM +0400, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >> the wikipedia article about lojban might need a short list of criticism of >> lojban with links (e.g. to posts in this mailing list). Balanced criticism >> actually makes languages more popular, so it's advisable to make such a >> list. >> >> Here are some thoughts: > My troubles actually speaking the thing on a daily basis: > > 1. The total lack of idiom > > 2. The incredible self-similarity of the gismu makes keeping them > straight extremely difficult for me in practice (i.e. when speaking > at full speed). > > 3. *WAY* too many c/s/j sounds; so many accidental tounge twisters > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.