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Subject: Re: [lojban] criticism of lojban needed
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2014-09-01 22:56 GMT+04:00 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:

> On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 12:07:01PM +0400, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> > the wikipedia article about lojban might need a short list of criticism
> of
> > lojban with links (e.g. to posts in this mailing list). Balanced
> criticism
> > actually makes languages more popular, so it's advisable to make such a
> > list.
> >
> > Here are some thoughts:
>
> My troubles actually speaking the thing on a daily basis:
>
> 1.  The total lack of idiom
>
> 2.  The incredible self-similarity of the gismu makes keeping them
> straight extremely difficult for me in practice (i.e. when speaking
> at full speed).
>
> 3.  *WAY* too many c/s/j sounds; so many accidental tounge twisters
>

Tongue twisters can be applied to 2. as well, right?

In general I think your three points are more important than other
suggestions.
Could you publish them on a wiki or on your website so that we can link to
it from Wikipedia?


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014-09-01 22:56 GMT+04:00 Robin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org" target=3D"_blank">rlpowell@di=
gitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 12:0=
7:01PM +0400, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:<br>
&gt; the wikipedia article about lojban might need a short list of criticis=
m of<br>
&gt; lojban with links (e.g. to posts in this mailing list). Balanced criti=
cism<br>
&gt; actually makes languages more popular, so it&#39;s advisable to make s=
uch a<br>
&gt; list.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here are some thoughts:<br>
<br>
</div>My troubles actually speaking the thing on a daily basis:<br>
<br>
1.=C2=A0 The total lack of idiom<br>
<br>
2.=C2=A0 The incredible self-similarity of the gismu makes keeping them<br>
straight extremely difficult for me in practice (i.e. when speaking<br>
at full speed).<br>
<br>
3.=C2=A0 *WAY* too many c/s/j sounds; so many accidental tounge twisters<br=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Tongue twisters can be applied to 2. as w=
ell, right?</div><div><br></div><div>In general I think your three points a=
re more important than other suggestions.</div>
<div>Could you publish them on a wiki or on your website so that we can lin=
k to it from Wikipedia?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
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org/</a> :=C2=A0 Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.<br>
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 .e<br>
lu go&#39;i li&#39;u .i ji&#39;a go&#39;i lu na&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e =
lu go&#39;i na&#39;i li&#39;u .e<br>
lu no&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu to&#39;e go&#39;i li&#39;u .e lu lo mam=
ta be do cu sofybakni li&#39;u<br>
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