Received: from mail-wi0-f184.google.com ([209.85.212.184]:49203) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XP3sC-0007jS-Gd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:54 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f184.google.com with SMTP id n3sf851185wiv.21 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/BADnKuHBoarG7hDuog4mm5uv0X7ZdeeGD2s2QQYXww=; b=eZkIVEXYUJy/wq8DcKW3p0R2DhGnrARP2I+7oI5mNtjWh5ZRqco1y5upo6kNy8SJ9Z RBSMBsIj9M7dP/urXyIzPxlWaJgnzAx3AgLhsE3wXwRbmDDe3LQ4l8ElCL20EIzvdbYa x0NfCrMS38KibiPPLzc+FODaC7VDYGyvJaIknJSlNntsyt6xaQSxRsgyWsGErKLZ+ASh SEijFqQ3MKnfnsEMOf+1xCZkCU1Dq75cYxxH8Bskc9RDm/7DrIkuKEixAK083yAxwiSE P4jtKT4XiS8Q1MyH/8IT78SM/C9mXARVROD9wvHmeQLSbQVypqgCktZMBUFqihsEP5vz M7/g== X-Received: by 10.152.6.194 with SMTP id d2mr143laa.42.1409725005460; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.5.170 with SMTP id t10ls605552lat.81.gmail; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.140.66 with SMTP id re2mr36893lbb.15.1409725004323; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x244.google.com (mail-wg0-x244.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::244]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ht7si87215wib.0.2014.09.02.23.16.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::244; Received: by mail-wg0-f68.google.com with SMTP id m15so2963104wgh.11 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.120.68 with SMTP id la4mr42712145wjb.48.1409725004203; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <59de556a-1a38-4a07-891e-68d5bae90247@googlegroups.com> References: <59de556a-1a38-4a07-891e-68d5bae90247@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:16:44 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] criticism of lojban needed From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011600981b4c200502232ea6 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e011600981b4c200502232ea6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-09-02 23:55 GMT+04:00 : > I do not like the source languages even though this would cause Lojban to > be slightly more unlearnable; two-thirds of the source languages are from > the Indo-European language family, and this underrepresents other > languages, such as the Turkic and Uralic languages, for instance, Turkish, > Azerbaijani, Finnish, Estonian and Hungarianz > They are not underrepresented. Note that gismu are based not just on 6 arbitrary languages but on how this or that phoneme or their combination is spread all over the world. The languages you mention would just get such a small weight that wouldn't affect the form of gismu. I tested an algorithm with 4 - 12 major languages and found that first 4 languages is not enough, 12 languages is too many (although of course you can use them all to score new gismu to prove or disprove my claim). > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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I do not like the source languages even though this would cause Lojban to b= e slightly more unlearnable; two-thirds of the source languages are from th= e Indo-European language family, and this underrepresents other languages, = such as the Turkic and Uralic languages, for instance, Turkish, Azerbaijani= , Finnish, Estonian and Hungarianz

They are not underrepresented.
N= ote that gismu are based not just on 6 arbitrary languages but on how this = or that phoneme or their combination is spread all over the world.

The languages you mention would just get such a small w= eight =C2=A0that wouldn't affect the form of gismu.

I tested an algorithm with 4 - 12 major languages and found that firs= t 4 languages is not enough, 12 languages is too many (although of course y= ou can use them all to score new gismu to prove or disprove my claim).

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