Received: from mail-qg0-f55.google.com ([209.85.192.55]:43638) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XPAR9-0002zT-G7 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:24 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f55.google.com with SMTP id j107sf1944781qga.10 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZYCK05MQL04MRcvjSmaf1T6eZuBITu3Bb31OfDe4vrw=; b=v33NnHI3/Yae39+PpUFdM2l01B+ROXx0DrWhsqkvWVV/6VdnDsEXkykw2GAbgz/OZW 9MqAYGS0QfFxjIyYuR5N0rU/DrUmenT4EznRbJ07dsMoTFDoiOxDlCq8MU2SaKOQ+hrj Z/aQrXOrxozNYT1U8c8FDBhZbY+oKmtXH2L+YePFV3wYDE7mPiL1vF6fHRRzEfpgbZ3M 2tp9xErcRL/B2xfz/2uFJfqMzokJmEXDebPoh11tDekSA4ahS29mG/vYdJ4BE60apwds c+6TdQo2ubMURHh5qRJkyRJmeL6oDr5LiZM1noHjcaEDJ6Kq81dmC/sq8obfMpibLs+u WPww== X-Received: by 10.50.66.147 with SMTP id f19mr29860igt.16.1409750236976; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.51.17.3 with SMTP id ga3ls3382614igd.35.gmail; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.249.197 with SMTP id yw5mr22294484pac.34.1409750236640; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x229.google.com (mail-qa0-x229.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ld1si1583470qcb.3.2014.09.03.06.17.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229; Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id m5so7897662qaj.28 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.37.9 with SMTP id q9mr39301560qgq.40.1409750236448; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.50.167 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54f94185-f393-4a05-a005-8e959bf9a801@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 07:17:16 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Confused about lujvo parsing From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1358a114a290502290e51 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c1358a114a290502290e51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For obvious reasons, spaceless Lojban isn't very popular; Only one person I know have has ever used it outside of hypotheticals, and everybody hated it when he did. Also, this is really something that belongs in the beginner's list. As a small tip- if it's a question, especially one about about grammar or similar, it's most likely something that belongs on the beginner's list. On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:02 AM, TR NS wrote: > >> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:20:26 PM UTC-4, aionys wrote: >>> >>> lo jbovlastekudzuklaji >>> >>> >> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:54:35 PM UTC-4, stevo wrote: >>> >>> Is there only a penultimate stress, on "KLAji"? >>> >>> >> Ok. By these answers I think I understand now: It's solely a matter of >> stress. >> >> I was thinking the consonant/vowel structure was supposed to be enough, >> so it would parse like: >> >> lojbo vlaste kudzu klaji >> > > Without spaces, you would have to write it as {lOjbovlAstekUdzuklAji} to > get that parse. > > But there are words such that it could parse: >> >> lo jbovlaste ku dzuklaji >> > > {lojbovlAstekudzuklaji} > > Without spaces to delimit the words, you have to explicitly mark the > typically (in writing) implicit stress. So, for example, speaking aloud > {lojbo vlaste kudzu klaji} and {lOjbovlAstekUdzuklAji} sound exactly the > same. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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For obvious reasons, spaceless Lojban isn't very = popular; Only one person I know have has ever used it outside of hypothetic= als, and everybody hated it when he did.

Also, this is really = something that belongs in the beginner's list. As a small tip- if it= 9;s a question, especially one about about grammar or similar, it's mos= t likely something that belongs on the beginner's list.


On Wed,= Sep 3, 2014 at 7:09 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> = wrote:
=
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:02 AM, = TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:20:26 PM UTC-4, aionys wr= ote:
lo j= bovlastekudzuklaji


On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:54:35= PM UTC-4, stevo wrote:
Is there = only a penultimate stress, on "KLAji"?=A0


=
Ok. By these answers I think I understand now: It's solely a matte= r of stress.=A0

I was thinking the consonant/v= owel structure was supposed to be enough, so it would parse like:

=A0 =A0 lojbo vlaste kudzu klaji

Without spaces, you would have to write it as {lOjbovlAstek= UdzuklAji} to get that parse.

But there are words such that i= t could parse:

=A0 =A0 lo jbovlaste ku dzuklaji

{lojbovlAstekudzuklaji}
<= /div>
Without spaces to delimit the words, you h= ave to explicitly mark the typically (in writing) implicit stress. So, for = example, speaking aloud {lojbo vlaste kudzu klaji} and {lOjbovlAstekUdzuklA= ji} sound exactly the same.

--
mu'o mi'= ;e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. = mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )=



--
mu'o mi'e .aion= ys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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