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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:29:27 -0700
From: "'John E Clifford' via lojban" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: criticism of lojban needed
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Well, that is a summary of nearly 60 years of discussion.  It is a valid cr=
iticism, but one that would usually affect one's view only if more detailed=
 points were offered (we need a good bibliography of all that discussion). =
 Note also that it is not said to be all crap -- it does do a large part of=
 what it set out to do -- only that it hasn't provably done all that it set=
 out to do.  Nor is it said that anyone could do better.  Some have done so=
me parts better, most who have looked carefully have seen that certain thin=
gs are unnecessarily complex or even off course -- suggesting that better i=
s possible, and there have been many suggested improvements never worked ou=
t in detail (and officially not to be even discussed -- though they have be=
en, of course).  In short, someone -- or, more likely, some group -- could =
do better, since the Lojbanist group is committed to not doing so. =20


On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 11:02 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
=20


On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 08:44:55AM -0700, 'John E Clifford' via lojban wrot=
e:

> Let's see how that line of objections, rather than ones to the cosmetics,=
 can be met and turned into a positive discussion of Lojban.

I'm sorry, I might have missed something here,
but "It's all crap and anyone could do better" is no valid criticism pe'i


mu'o

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt"><div><span>Well, that is a summary of nearly 60 years of disc=
ussion. &nbsp;It is a valid criticism, but one that would usually affect on=
e's view only if more detailed points were offered (we need a good bibliogr=
aphy of all that discussion). &nbsp;Note also that it is not said to be all=
 crap -- it does do a large part of what it set out to do -- only that it h=
asn't provably done all that it set out to do. &nbsp;Nor is it said that an=
yone could do better. &nbsp;Some have done some parts better, most who have=
 looked carefully have seen that certain things are unnecessarily complex o=
r even off course -- suggesting that better is possible, and there have bee=
n many suggested improvements never worked out in detail (and officially no=
t to be even discussed -- though they have been, of course). &nbsp;In
 short, someone -- or, more likely, some group -- could do better, since th=
e Lojbanist group is committed to not doing so. &nbsp;</span></div> <div cl=
ass=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"di=
splay: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue',=
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le=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Luci=
da Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"=
2" face=3D"Arial"> On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 11:02 AM, v4hn &lt;me@v4=
hn.de&gt; wrote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container=
">On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 08:44:55AM -0700, 'John E Clifford' via lojban wr=
ote:<div class=3D"yqt3611364497" id=3D"yqtfd21239"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; =
Let's see how that line of objections, rather than ones to the cosmetics, c=
an be met and turned into a positive discussion of Lojban.</div><br clear=
=3D"none"><br
 clear=3D"none">I'm sorry, I might have missed something here,<br clear=3D"=
none">but "It's all crap and anyone could do better" is no valid criticism =
pe'i<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">mu'o<div class=
=3D"yqt3611364497" id=3D"yqtfd49735"><br clear=3D"none"></div><br><br></div=
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