Received: from mail-wg0-f57.google.com ([74.125.82.57]:49828) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XPZFl-0007hw-T7 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:19 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f57.google.com with SMTP id n12sf1052783wgh.22 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GcgKqvZXlatR9fWwn11yorVIPGYwGonXKI5KODyzAnE=; b=xtn9RydfG30ZtYUvspcuiZnnG7VkfNHA1d5ids8NO+Kdue7OOQq5q3OamZ6NFnrPSV mSbGdh79hzVCcDEgx8JK4GCD6meYt4t8Si5XjHqwj+0FDmfNe5qrmqtL3XyzgkJSvgxh Vydb9BU9M04WxVW9eNldle5ZNFHNDPPlbUvIbMuRoVh9Vl52v9gSltcq0J5rqtHaSDkZ hi1Xm4Fbo36yC+BGQC6rlRlRtWV9iFQS1ja1px1Veq1RsuYZH1YaOCvwk64Hby1O69WB s6XJ4hxrtTEpsZtiEwQxui79E6YwHg2ujzamfqA4RGMEXeUSxbE+LhFuDlq4RVrzJ0FB E/PQ== X-Received: by 10.180.205.197 with SMTP id li5mr7323wic.0.1409845631135; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.208.1 with SMTP id ma1ls948460wic.32.canary; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.201.198 with SMTP id kc6mr538902wjc.0.1409845630556; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x241.google.com (mail-wi0-x241.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::241]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gj7si115637wib.3.2014.09.04.08.47.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::241 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::241; Received: by mail-wi0-f193.google.com with SMTP id cc10so4612427wib.4 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.200.137 with SMTP id js9mr7143782wjc.90.1409845630399; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:47:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 19:47:10 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::241 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb70c74fcfbbf05023f4349 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb70c74fcfbbf05023f4349 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-09-04 19:46 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2014-09-04 18:58 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > > Was wondering why "left-grouping rule" was chosen as the default for >> tanru? >> >> I ran though random examples of using two adjectives in my head and they >> are almost always right-grouping. "big red truck", "bright yellow star", >> "little lost ant" >> > this is left grouping with both seltau made equal: > lo barda je cunre karce > lo barda je xunre karce sorry for the mistype lo carmi je plexu tarci > lo cmalu je farcri manti > > > >> , there are exceptions, like "dark roast coffee", but even then the >> right-grouping would be okay. But in the other examples left-grouping would >> be just flat wrong. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7bb70c74fcfbbf05023f4349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



2014-09-04 19:46 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.na= me@gmail.com>:
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2014-09-04 18:58 GMT+04:00 TR NS <tra= nsfire@gmail.com>:

Was wondering why "left-grouping rule" was chose= n as the default for tanru?=C2=A0

I ran though random ex= amples of using two adjectives in my head and they are almost always right-= grouping. "big red truck", "bright yellow star", "= little lost ant"
this is left grouping with both seltau made e= qual:
lo barda je cunre karce
=C2=A0
lo barda je xunre karce=C2=A0

sorry for the mistype

lo carmi je plexu tarci
lo cmalu je farcri manti

=C2=A0
, there are exceptions, like "dark roast coffee&= quot;, but even then the right-grouping would be okay. But in the other exa= mples left-grouping would be just flat wrong.=C2=A0

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