Received: from mail-oa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.219.60]:48567) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XPZGG-0007jB-Qw for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:50 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id eb12sf2211710oac.25 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Eu0L8jtDC8Wp2gnh/od9Wfmq4rEyE//yWJscpv5VFPU=; b=ytU8/X62tQ8jtzKO3fODIuPt9VDLy2r4+KgJqZkHNs/KE73ws/MMzve4ie7yKFSa97 ntgqU0/mnZrE1gglWPAD7fJjCW02efFyIZ8STpK7GE4UIR0gPFiw4hBN1lLCxGY1MVGL z4iR4ulk27eB/pPtGTBrC0zMxyves/WOG2aaCv7Z1KUi/tVx9Sq34hTTxcWtADHBNaN2 P0TDMqciQ5a/46RJ1lx494oVH5PcjDxEEYaAV4kAWpjMW25PQLk7U5pUkxIrQYL+zpNX 8mMYRF4oD/a6PyhJlOF11oIFTQLJvUaStaavGpi3M5sUg4UM2emnfGc7FXI0lXgQrl44 nI6Q== X-Received: by 10.50.85.7 with SMTP id d7mr98207igz.9.1409845662462; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.60.99 with SMTP id g3ls2569405igr.41.canary; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.216.233 with SMTP id ot9mr2884925pac.38.1409845661856; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22a.google.com (mail-vc0-x22a.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p2si252561vdh.2.2014.09.04.08.47.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a; Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id la4so10830198vcb.15 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.190.134 with SMTP id di6mr2316255vcb.43.1409845661698; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 08:47:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.67 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:47:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Alex Rozenshteyn Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:47:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru? To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1c11cda8f7105023f45dc X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c1c11cda8f7105023f45dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The example I've always heard in the context of linguistics for weird grouping is "January water cooler cover replacement screw shipment". My guess for why left-grouping is that it doesn't end up mattering much, so pick something. It also might be easier to special case the right grouping than to special case left grouping (when speaking and reading). On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM, TR NS wrote: > Was wondering why "left-grouping rule" was chosen as the default for > tanru? > > I ran though random examples of using two adjectives in my head and they > are almost always right-grouping. "big red truck", "bright yellow star", > "little lost ant", there are exceptions, like "dark roast coffee", but even > then the right-grouping would be okay. But in the other examples > left-grouping would be just flat wrong. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c1c11cda8f7105023f45dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The example I've always heard in the context of l= inguistics for weird grouping is "January water cooler cover replaceme= nt screw shipment".

My guess for why left-grouping is tha= t it doesn't end up mattering much, so pick something. It also might be= easier to special case the right grouping than to special case left groupi= ng (when speaking and reading).


On Thu,= Sep 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Was wondering why "lef= t-grouping rule" was chosen as the default for tanru?=C2=A0

I ran though random examples of using two adjectives in my head and they ar= e almost always right-grouping. "big red truck", "bright yel= low star", "little lost ant", there are exceptions, like &qu= ot;dark roast coffee", but even then the right-grouping would be okay.= But in the other examples left-grouping would be just flat wrong.=C2=A0

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