Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:02:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru?
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:46:23 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:
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> 2014-09-04 18:58 GMT+04:00 TR NS <tran...@gmail.com <javascript:>>:
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>> Was wondering why "left-grouping rule" was chosen as the default for 
>> tanru? 
>>
>> I ran though random examples of using two adjectives in my head and they 
>> are almost always right-grouping. "big red truck", "bright yellow star", 
>> "little lost ant"
>>
> this is left grouping with both seltau made equal:
> lo barda je cunre karce
> lo carmi je plexu tarci
> lo cmalu je farcri manti
>
>
Cool. Thanks for the translations.

That helps clarify my point though too. Seems like the typical case will 
always require an extra grouping cmavo, e.g. `je` or `bo` in order to be 
technically correct. If the default were right-grouping these wouldn't be 
needed. I have a feeling that a lot of time this gets overlooked and the 
`je` or `bo`, or what have you, gets left out even though the meaning isn't 
really right. But most of time it won't get noticed, because, for instance 
if I said to you "lo barda cunre karce" you are probably just going to 
assume I meant "lo barda je cunre karce" or "lo barda cunre bo karce" 
without even giving it any thought.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:46:23 AM UTC-4, =
la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-=
left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-09-04 18:58 GMT+04:00 TR NS =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfusca=
ted-mailto=3D"UFIe2lADG6YJ" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return=
 true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;">tran...@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Was wondering why "left-grouping rule" was chosen as the d=
efault for tanru?&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I ran though random examples of =
using two adjectives in my head and they are almost always right-grouping. =
"big red truck", "bright yellow star", "little lost ant"</div>
</div></blockquote><div>this is left grouping with both seltau made equal:<=
/div><div>lo barda je cunre karce</div><div>lo carmi je plexu tarci</div><d=
iv>lo cmalu je farcri manti</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>Cool. Thanks for the translations.</div><div><br></=
div><div>That helps clarify my point though too. Seems like the typical cas=
e will always require an extra grouping cmavo, e.g. `je` or `bo` in order t=
o be technically correct. If the default were right-grouping these wouldn't=
 be needed. I have a feeling that a lot of time this gets overlooked and th=
e `je` or `bo`, or what have you, gets left out even though the meaning isn=
't really right. But most of time it won't get noticed, because, for instan=
ce if I said to you "lo barda cunre karce" you are probably just going to a=
ssume I meant "lo barda je cunre karce" or "lo barda cunre bo karce" withou=
t even giving it any thought.</div><div><br></div></div>

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