Received: from mail-vc0-f191.google.com ([209.85.220.191]:60864) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XPcJQ-0000iT-RN for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:17 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f191.google.com with SMTP id la4sf2114574vcb.8 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hKkhP9nUc9Jg4lx32Sz6At9utRMY4fI2ZQb92O1r/IE=; b=T+ddSX1x9jzjpLCbPgWrljZ8N2wL3c9rF7MczfxtMmOEg5a1dTH2GL0KRfyqEFmFcM n8oSsv4etlXnTEefRnQO3cYIBTqTUwmIL/GnhJJyJTDzqC5yZOsMG+3xgAr4YPvKNMV3 dVQWJdPmFDEQANa6qwYEcdyJTf0r9Nc1xqlgjZ5DQ8xok0IOVO4GSd/7qFs/8O04WCFR Q8UpHC9aGU60sPIb3EGmGqlh4svMDbAZJWUWaLwGJMf1dhQ0X7rZah4QvPqMoSTkx6uZ 7Oey9bsMQMRL1s/3llLxFYQuOONKmdu+CysX/1p+iqLZ+FxtBa613uPNR0NddVtuxM1T BXWA== X-Received: by 10.140.104.235 with SMTP id a98mr17570qgf.40.1409857389005; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.102.23 with SMTP id v23ls389368qge.51.gmail; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.34.233 with SMTP id s69mr1634227yha.57.1409857388539; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x233.google.com (mail-qa0-x233.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4si2622044qcm.0.2014.09.04.12.03.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233; Received: by mail-qa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id j7so10029221qaq.10 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.88.137 with SMTP id a9mr10548516qam.88.1409857388432; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.201.74 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 15:03:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: Mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2bbc0d254fa05024200ce X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2bbc0d254fa05024200ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There are plenty of left groupings in English: newspaper editor strike electric light socket bass guitar player first base umpire television series director very fast typist etc etc The fact that you happened to picked examples that right grouping (and btw, bright yellow star is LEFT grouping, not right. The color is bright yellow) is jsut from your own biases.... :-) --gejyspa, On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM, TR NS wrote: > Was wondering why "left-grouping rule" was chosen as the default for > tanru? > > I ran though random examples of using two adjectives in my head and they > are almost always right-grouping. "big red truck", "bright yellow star", > "little lost ant", there are exceptions, like "dark roast coffee", but even > then the right-grouping would be okay. But in the other examples > left-grouping would be just flat wrong. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c2bbc0d254fa05024200ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0 There are plenty of left groupings in English:
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=C2=A0 newspaper editor strike
=C2=A0 electric lig= ht socket
=C2=A0 bass guitar player
=C2=A0 first base u= mpire
=C2=A0 television series director
=C2=A0 very fast typist

=C2=A0 etc etc
<= div>=C2=A0 The fact that you happened to picked examples that right groupin= g (and btw, bright yellow star is LEFT grouping, not right. =C2=A0The color= is bright yellow)
is jsut from your own biases.... =C2=A0:-)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa,=C2=A0


On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM, TR= NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
Was wondering why "lef= t-grouping rule" was chosen as the default for tanru?=C2=A0

I ran though random examples of using two adjectives in my head and they ar= e almost always right-grouping. "big red truck", "bright yel= low star", "little lost ant", there are exceptions, like &qu= ot;dark roast coffee", but even then the right-grouping would be okay.= But in the other examples left-grouping would be just flat wrong.=C2=A0

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